The so called accredited breeder scheme (U.K) - Page 3

If any petition is needed, it is one asking the Kennel Club WHY, as the UK's Governing Body for Pedigree Dogs, it has NEVER introduced any MANDATORY Health Screening to improve the quality of life for any dog, of any breed? It will be very interesting to see what excuses the KC could come up with, other than the obvious loss of revenue they would encounter from a drastic drop in pups viable for registration.

Actually this is not strictly true there are some health tests that the KC make mandatory for some breeds.

EG

• From 17th June 2003 all Irish Red & White Setters used for breeding should be either hereditarily clear of CLAD or have a CLAD DNA test before they are used for breeding.

• Identified carriers can be used for breeding, but they should only be mated to a dog that is either hereditarily clear of CLAD or one that has DNA tested clear of CLAD; carriers should not be mated to carriers.

• All of the registered offspring of a carrier mated to a clear should be clearly identified, DNA tested and registered as either tested clear or carrier.
• From 17th June 2008 the Kennel Club will refuse registration of Irish Red & White Setter puppies unless both parents have been tested clear of CLAD, or are hereditarily clear of CLAD.

• No carriers will be registered after 16th June 2008

Beepy, not at all surprised you are still waiting for a reply from the KC,  it seems we both have un-answered questions !! The KC Pidgeon hole where all the un-answered question letters slot into must be drastically full ... or an awfully BIG Pidgeon. !!  

You also raise very relevent points regarding the lack of upper limit cut-offs for hip scores. In my opinion even the Breed Council have set them too high, but at least an upper limit is set, so it would be a start if the KC adopted the criteria for GSD's set by the BC (albeit that IMO that in itself is not nearly stringent enough).

So, Yes Beepy, your driving test analogy is spot on, except to say that not only can an ABS breeder use a dog whatever the score, they can even use a dog that has never been xrayed therefore having no score at all !!  Which takes your analogy one step further, i.e been able to drive without sitting the driving test or even having a lesson. 

Regards

Sue B 

Thanks for that Info Langhaar , could you please enlighten us further as to how the KC came to make this progressive decision? Then perhaps other breeds could follow the same tac.

Best Regards

Sue B

I will put this to the panel meeting of the Breed Council in exactly the form written above from the excellent points..... printing off if I may your messages and taking them with me. The arguement for a re-jigging or collapsing of this scheme is here to be seen and is very valid.  If anyone has any point to make for me to take and speak with the panel about, then please email me at mascani22@aol.com and I will make sure that I bring up this point, and also have it put on the agenda for the next meeting to discuss.

Mo Lakin - Mascani.

penny pm sent.

tracie

Sue B I can happily say that I have heard of someone who tried to register a litter that was un hip scored (not a GSD) and they got a warning that they would be removed from the scheme if they did it again - whether the KC would I dont know.

As for when a person should go on the list I dont know - I keep hearing all the comments and still cant form a balanced view.  Which is right or wrong.

The person who doesnt show but produces fab consistent litters time after time and who has a record of healthy, long lived dogs?

The person who shows but gets side tracked trying to produce the perfect dog and is permantly re-homing the not so perfect reject?

The person who has bred for years but doesnt care where their dogs go or what their lives involve?

The person who waits for many years, learning as much as possible and is in a situation not only to screen prospective owners but to provide care in the future should the need arise and has made sure that all possible health checks have been done and has research the genetics of the lines and weighed up the good and the bad of all the possible choices.

IMO I think that whilst showing has its place there are many people who dont want to drive round the country after the elusive CC and get more rewards from working their dogs daily and see them through to their old age in front of the fire.  I dont like those that breed another litter because they want a newer car or have to pay the rates.

I think there are some breeders out there that have maybe worked with others gaining knowledge and might just be starting out who should be allowed to be an accredited breeder as although they havent bred in their own name they have done the work of someone who has bred many litters just under someone else's name.

And then there is the so called puppy farmer who registers 4 or more different breeds with the kennel club in huge numbers and gets the acreditation when in fact they should not be allowed to breed anything!

I look forward to watching this debate go further, on this forum, in the dog press and eventually on the KC website and in their magazine.

What about the accredited breeders who might do the health checks (because it sounds good on their websites) but then disregard the results if not in their favour and breed anyway . This happens all the time. I think health testing alone should not be enough of a criteria for the parents of pups registered but health testing of parents with results within a certain range before progeny can be eligible for registration.

Eg ..not enough to hip and elbow score , results have to be acceptable within a pre arranged bracket. Likewise for all testable conditons which effect breeds

Or is that wanting too much????

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i am looking at setting up a gold stamp system where breeders are awarded points for health tests etc.                    (specifically for gsds)

i am not sure if it will work but i am definitely going to look into doing this. you never know.

i think if this can be done with the kennel club all the better.

if anyone thinks that they might be able to help/advise me in any way please send me a pm.

i will be talking to the kc later on in the week

wish me luck  (i will need it!!) lol

Tracie

sueb:mo lakin.

would be interesting to know if the puppies you regularly sell have DNA parents.

arbeiter: It would not be interesting to know if you even own a dog! probably not.
You have a cheek asking anything about or of known people on here, and you don't even realise it.