Question about inbreeding in pitbulls?? - Page 2

I think inbreeding and line breeding are misunderstood and may produce something in the short term that you want while in the longer term is not productive.
And most people do not have the wisdom to do it without serious draw backs down the line.
Nature has some tolerance for inbreeding only because of natural selection that weeds out unhealthy, un-suited, inferior individuals.
Some meaning very little.
Under human supervision there are no such safe guards, changes occur rapidly, and the gene pool is forever changed for better or worst.
The driving force behind the practice as I see it is competition, perhaps ego, and tunnel vision.
The breeding of siblings is the worst combination and the most unpredictable in my opinion, my experience.
Depends on the species.
In short I do not recommend it at all.
The most common would probably be a sire to his out-crossed grand daughter, if the sires line is what your interested in, this is short term.
But what I completely recommend is to keep the maternal line with fresh breeding of superior stock, and only an occasional third generation line breeding from the original sires line if the correct individual can be found.
To be done at an age that allows a thorough evaluation of the mature adult stock.
Every breeder with have his own secret recipe but one thing should be constant and that's the maternal line, not the sire.
This is long term.
Culling may mean destroying but it can also mean not to be bred.
A breeder must keep his stock into adulthood to evaluate, it may not be economical to keep them all weeding out individuals as faults are observed.




 

I don't have the energy to really comment on this right now, but Jenni, I took a look at the pedigree you provided and noted that this dog http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_pit_bull_terrier/dog.html?id=1682601-patricks-commander-whitehead  was very tightly inbred on his sire (/grandsire/great-grandsire) 1-2,3!  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_pit_bull_terrier/dog.html?id=1496410-indian-bolio  who in turn has a great deal of line-breeding himself, particularly 4-3,3 on one dam.
goodness!  would be interesting to have some very in-depth data on the health, temperament, etc of he and his littermates.  

In the proper hands inbreeding and line breeding are excellent ways of helping a breed. In the wrong hands they make fordeterioration of a breed. The purpose of both is to bring about breed improvement and to upgrade the stock. They make for the elimination of recessive faults and bring about purifacation of a strain if properly done.
Many of the greatest APBT's in history were in or line bred.
  In 1976 I bred my bitch QUEEN, to Maurice Carver's famous STOMPANATO. I ran the ad below, in a 76 BLOODLINES MAGAZINE. I still have my STOMPANATO Line.
   There is nothing wrong with a dog on a long, log chain with good swivels on each end. The dog has much more freedom than a Kennel Run dog.  "Bait Dogs" is basically a term the media made up. I first saw it on the net. A dogman would no more use what the media calls a "Bait Dog", than Money Mayweather, would use a grade school child, for a Sparring Partner lol.  The sad thing is, idiots who used the media as a mentor, will believe that B.S., and go try and act it out.
The ad of 76, and below that my current ol dog, MUFFIN. 

EuroShepherd
APBT have been inbred and linebred more then any other breed I know, and not without their problems. I have owned a lot of them my self in the past and will say, they are the physically the most sturdy, mentally stable and family friendly of any breed I have owned. They are mis-read and mis-handled more then any other breed as well. The biggest problems are animal aggression and some do not go out of drive as quick as need be. BUT that being said I got out of APBT because the lack of aggression to people to do protection work.
APBT were breed for hundreds of year to be animal aggressive and chin lickers what can we expect.
As far as health goes I have owned many that lived way past 10 years old but have seen cancer in some as well, but in the old line dogs there health was better and they lived long hard lives.

In GSD most are looking for a whole litter of fair to good dogs. In Pit Bulls their goal was that one great dog.



 

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printablePedigree&dog_id=206247

below is my MANCINI. One of the best to ever look through a Collar.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=63316

These were some dogs I was using in 1990. My DANCER, was one of my favorites.

Not to argue with you the point but I've seen bait dogs by whatever name you want to call them used along with cats in a grass sack and coons a time or two.
I don't think they learned it from the media, not these ole boys.
Maybe these guys aren't who you hang out with but they are out there, and the practice is more common than you know, or would admit to knowing about.
Maybe i've just seen the worst part of dog fighting which is what I equate with the breeding of Pitbull dogs.
I've seen a tore up dog shot at the side of the road so the guy didn't have to take it all the way home bleeding all over his truck after a match.
I've seen them dumped in even worst shape, I've put a couple of those down that had been dumped.
If I could have caught the guy who dumped the last one I found I would have possibly put him down somewhere, perhaps a sink hole in the woods.
The animal was a bag of bones and nothing more.
What's worse is i know breeders who are breeding for larger size and aggressiveness towards humans to be used as PPD's.


I have seen some handsome dogs bred to standards with the correct traits and long lived, no health problems, but not often around here.

These ole boys around here don't show em, they fight em.

I like the breed, I just don't care for what some people breed them for.

Well Moons, I've been all over the West, and all over the South. I was brought to 3 different countries regarding APBT's. I knew Earl Tudor, Maurice Carver, Don Maloney, Al Brown, etc., but I guess you have just seen more than I.

You've seen a pit match or not?