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by MKhalil on 27 February 2013 - 10:02
I"m fostering a pitbull and I never saw any aggression from her. She is full pit, nice and stocky, big muscular thighs, big head, (and very kissable cheeks!) She is the ultimate baby sitter for all my dogs, including my gsd puppy, and for my nieces and nephews too. She is more like a playground teacher and likes to keep everyone in order. She doesn't chase or show any aggression towards ducks, chickens, sheep, goats, horses or any other kind of livestock. She just wants to be a princess in the house, and I hope someone will adopt her soon. Her manners are impeccable. Thankfully she hates rats and will go after them(must be the terrier in her). I've never seen a terrier breed that doesn't want to fight with something. I think the media just focuses on dog/dog, dog/human attacks more when a pitbull is involved.
Breed bans are wrong anywhere, and thanks to the OP for the post.
Breed bans are wrong anywhere, and thanks to the OP for the post.
by Hundmutter on 27 February 2013 - 11:02
There is surely a difference between getting a dog "in shape"
and keeping one in fighting condition ? You really ask us to
believe that places where wooden walling etc making a fight
'ring' have been found, any treadmills found with them are just
to save the owners having to walk their dogs ?
I know this subject is riddled with myth and BS, don't get me
wrong; but just as extra 'condition' is often put on dogs which do
bitework in competition, so all the treadmill running and weight
pulling has a purpose, in the eyes of at least some of the APBT
owners. That is every bit as much 'training' as the running and
shadow boxing a human fighter regularly does.
As to the whole 'bait dogs' thing, I have not personally had any
animal go missing ... but I do know real people who have. If
people lose dogs, or cats, that later turn up dead (and not victim
to auto accidents !); or puppies are found by humane organisations
when raiding fighters premises, covered in untreated bite wounds
[of which there have been photographic records], it can't really be
ALL 'hooey', can it ?
Not by any means denying there is a 'genetic component' to ANY
terrier or other breed that is dog-aggressive; but: "DEED, NOT BREED."
and keeping one in fighting condition ? You really ask us to
believe that places where wooden walling etc making a fight
'ring' have been found, any treadmills found with them are just
to save the owners having to walk their dogs ?
I know this subject is riddled with myth and BS, don't get me
wrong; but just as extra 'condition' is often put on dogs which do
bitework in competition, so all the treadmill running and weight
pulling has a purpose, in the eyes of at least some of the APBT
owners. That is every bit as much 'training' as the running and
shadow boxing a human fighter regularly does.
As to the whole 'bait dogs' thing, I have not personally had any
animal go missing ... but I do know real people who have. If
people lose dogs, or cats, that later turn up dead (and not victim
to auto accidents !); or puppies are found by humane organisations
when raiding fighters premises, covered in untreated bite wounds
[of which there have been photographic records], it can't really be
ALL 'hooey', can it ?
Not by any means denying there is a 'genetic component' to ANY
terrier or other breed that is dog-aggressive; but: "DEED, NOT BREED."
by Hired Dog on 27 February 2013 - 13:02
Hundmutter, I am not saying AT ALL that the equipment is not related to dog fights, I am not there and I cannot say for sure, it may and it may not be. What I am saying is that you DONT train or teach properly bred APBT to fight, you allow it. I am not sure how much you know about this subject, but, if you go and look at Dogmen and Cajun rules, you will see that the pit was used as a testing ground for breeding, same as any other venue is today. Sch and ZVV and NVBK were all started as breeding proofing grounds and later became sports. The pit was the proving ground for the APBT back then. Then the pet owning public got involved and what happened in what generally happens when the pet owners get involved...they want the LOOKS, but NOT the temperament of a breed...
by Hundmutter on 27 February 2013 - 14:02
Don't recall SchH or NVKB etc ever being used as fighting arenas, while testing
breeding value. Like I said, lot of BS gets talked around this subject. You'll be
telling us next that not a soul ever made any money out of gambling on it. The
American dog fight scene is SO much different from the one in Britain ? LMAO.
breeding value. Like I said, lot of BS gets talked around this subject. You'll be
telling us next that not a soul ever made any money out of gambling on it. The
American dog fight scene is SO much different from the one in Britain ? LMAO.
by Hired Dog on 27 February 2013 - 15:02
Hundmutter, I am looking at this entire thing minus any emotions, just facts. I sense your sarcasm and do not want it. Of course money was made during the fights, thats what it was all about, however, had you read the links I provided, you would have more FACTS to go on then you do now.
I dont remember saying anything about fighting in regards to NVBK or Sch, I did say that they were created as testing arenas for breeding purposes...same as the pit, different testing parameters. I dont know what the fight scene is like in Britain, if its anything like the one here where douchebags are involved, then its not pretty. Again, go look at the links I posted, maybe you will learn something new about how testing was done back before everyone and their mother got involved in this breed.
I dont remember saying anything about fighting in regards to NVBK or Sch, I did say that they were created as testing arenas for breeding purposes...same as the pit, different testing parameters. I dont know what the fight scene is like in Britain, if its anything like the one here where douchebags are involved, then its not pretty. Again, go look at the links I posted, maybe you will learn something new about how testing was done back before everyone and their mother got involved in this breed.
by Jetndre on 27 February 2013 - 16:02
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
I find the above site rather interesting when discussing aggresive dog breeds.... As a general rule I"m opposed to breed bans simply because it can snowball and the next thing I know my beloved GSD breed will be on the banned list ! But,. by all I read and see there is, without a doubt, many more irresponsible pitbull owners than responsible ones. The shelters are full of pits and pitx's with few people willing to adopt and few breed rescues that are already overflowing and can't take them. The only choice is to euthanize them. SO, to me it's better for cities to ban thr ee breed which will discourage the overpopulation/breeding/owenership of them which will indirectly save the lives of many of these dogs. I do think there should be exceptions made for responsible owners who can prove they've had their dogs trained and have suitable fencing and accomodations to safely keep them. . . if that would be possible. . .
I find the above site rather interesting when discussing aggresive dog breeds.... As a general rule I"m opposed to breed bans simply because it can snowball and the next thing I know my beloved GSD breed will be on the banned list ! But,. by all I read and see there is, without a doubt, many more irresponsible pitbull owners than responsible ones. The shelters are full of pits and pitx's with few people willing to adopt and few breed rescues that are already overflowing and can't take them. The only choice is to euthanize them. SO, to me it's better for cities to ban thr ee breed which will discourage the overpopulation/breeding/owenership of them which will indirectly save the lives of many of these dogs. I do think there should be exceptions made for responsible owners who can prove they've had their dogs trained and have suitable fencing and accomodations to safely keep them. . . if that would be possible. . .
by Hundmutter on 27 February 2013 - 18:02
One difficulty I have with the whole Pit thing is that 'bans' solve nothing.
They do not get rid of the dogs, or the associated problems. We have
not the odd State but a whole Nation that has banned the APBT, since
'91. We probably have more Pits and Pit Xs now than we did then. So
much for breed specific legislation.
On the fighting scene, my 'emotion' is one of anger, fair enough; and
any 'sarcasm' is based in my extreme dislike of using animals to battle
each other for human 'entertainment' (whatever more refined 'breed-worth
development' the proponents choose to dress that with). Sorry but it is not
only the latter-day Jo Public that deserve the name calling. I have exactly
the same gut feeling towards an experienced GSD/working man in my
country, only his thing is gamecocks; for which he advances similar old-
school arguments. Perfectly nice bloke; really has himself convinced he
isn't wrong.
Not saying the street fighters are not 'worse' in terms of their attitudes and
the way they don't look after the dogs properly; not saying that things the
various LE and humane orgs get up to haven't made the whole situation
ten times more fraught. But 'cajun rules' are fight rules; testing for 'gameness'
was about encouraging aggression; no one comes out of the business
smellin of roses, from however long ago (and yes i have NOT just recently
taken an interest in what was going on, my seeking info on this topic dates
back pre 'street' fights, pre Internet). JMO.
They do not get rid of the dogs, or the associated problems. We have
not the odd State but a whole Nation that has banned the APBT, since
'91. We probably have more Pits and Pit Xs now than we did then. So
much for breed specific legislation.
On the fighting scene, my 'emotion' is one of anger, fair enough; and
any 'sarcasm' is based in my extreme dislike of using animals to battle
each other for human 'entertainment' (whatever more refined 'breed-worth
development' the proponents choose to dress that with). Sorry but it is not
only the latter-day Jo Public that deserve the name calling. I have exactly
the same gut feeling towards an experienced GSD/working man in my
country, only his thing is gamecocks; for which he advances similar old-
school arguments. Perfectly nice bloke; really has himself convinced he
isn't wrong.
Not saying the street fighters are not 'worse' in terms of their attitudes and
the way they don't look after the dogs properly; not saying that things the
various LE and humane orgs get up to haven't made the whole situation
ten times more fraught. But 'cajun rules' are fight rules; testing for 'gameness'
was about encouraging aggression; no one comes out of the business
smellin of roses, from however long ago (and yes i have NOT just recently
taken an interest in what was going on, my seeking info on this topic dates
back pre 'street' fights, pre Internet). JMO.
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