Getting a puppy imported? - Page 2

Oh by the way, beware of the sites that say they are only helping out friends sell their dogs that don't speak english and are not a broker. Bought a dog directly from the seller and also saw it listed on one of these sites. The difference between the sellers price and the site was unbelievable. The broker site the price was 2 1/2 times higher then what I got it directly from the seller for. Mike

DR is right. There are super dogs available in the US if you look and take your time. If that's not your cup of tea look for someone in the US that imports for a living. In most cases it is very dangerous to buy site unseen. Determine what you really want and what you are really willing to spend. There are a lot of scam artists in the business; be cautious.

For an open, honest, reasonably priced breeder in Germany with puppies out of Top VA sires and bitches that are out of top German lines go to http://www.von-nimbus.de/. I have delt with them for years now and everyone that I know of is completely satisfied. They speak English very well and are very helpful in everyway. Debby

Hi there, Desert Ranger,GSDKid, you guys make me laugh ! As i agree with you, that sometimes it happens that you buy a dog overseas and do not get what you want. Well, it also happens when you buy a pup in the US. I dont know, but if i am not mistaken we read it all the times on here, about breeders in the US or from overseas do not stand behind their "Garanties" ! Wow,GsdKid, the breeder covers for 5 years ..... are we talking living animals ? Get real, ask your breeder after 4 years for a refund.....! This is so pathetic, i can hardly find any words ! All this is about, that one needs to find the breeder that he is comfortable with and that he trusts in. That breeder can be found all around the globe ! To say, you will only get animals from Germany taht the breeder wants to get rid off, is plain simply ballony. Look at all these imported good dogs competing in show or Schutzhund..... yeah, its the crap that a breeder wanted to get rid off !! Just be a little more reasonable. Kind Regards Ulli Dresbach

Oskar you are right 5 years is too good to be true I also feel I payed a little too much. I feel I could have got a better pup. Yes you are right about the Breeder getting rid off the pups. I think people see it as pick of the litter. But my breeder bought the whole litter except for the longcoat. BUt he siad sometimes the longcoat doesnt turn up to be a long coat. What does a famous kennel form germany pups call for. Like the Arminius Batu etc.

Let me simply say that as always, some of you do NOT do your homework before buying a dog. I do not care whether you import the dog or buy one here. I do not care whether it was born here or there. You need to do your homework. There are people who are taking many of you to the cleaners and you let it happen. There are people here and abroad who are ethical and honest. There are people here in the US, including one mentioned over and over again on this and other boards, who are not ethical. Because buyers do NOT do their homework, they get taken. There is no hope of educating them when they simply go off half-cocked and let charatans sell a dog for way more than one should spend. But I, for one, give up trying to teach. Oskar is right on and sadly GSDkid and others like him will continue to get taken because they lack the patience to learn what they must BEFORE ever handing over a damn cent. As for 5 year guarantees? BS. What are you going to do when that person is no longer around? I have seen this before. When someone offers you something well out of the ordinary or a deal too good to be true, you should run the other way. People who breed and breed and import many, many pups are in this for one thing.....guess? The money. They do not give a damn about the dogs they profit on. All we can hope is that you do not get burned.

Oskar As usual you only understand half the story and start running off at the mouth making assumptions. I never said anything about a domestic dog or breeder being perfect and no risk. I would think a normal intelligent person would understand that? Let me explain it so even you can understand. It is much easier to visit a kennel in the states (if you live here) than to travel overseas to view what you are buying. Your chance of getting a good pup increase ten fold vs buying an import considering that Kaiser is a novice. I try to visit a kennel/litter 2 to 3 times before purchasing a pup. Most of us have made mistakes buying our first GSD and have taken our licks over the years until we have developed much more of a ability to find the right pup. Just giving my opinion trying to help, anyone can take it or leave. No need for you to insult me just because you dis-agree. Regards :)

Desert Ranger, first of all i would like to apologize, if i insulted you. This definitly was not my intension. It might be easier for you to forgive me, knowing that english is second language to me, but i am trying hard to do it right. I apreciate you trying to help, because this is exactly what i try to do. As you can easily read in my post, i did not state that your assumption was entirely wrong, you just did not tell the hole story. I used to live in the US, and yes it is always best to see the litter 2-3 times before you choose your pup. Just assume for a minute that you live in Upstate NY and find the litter of your dreams in CA - i could imagine that it would be hard for most guys to travel that far. As far as garantie goes, we read about Breeders all over the World that wont stand behind their garantie. The hassle and the dissapointment are the same. We are not very accustumed to give garanties here in Germany, i agree with that. But my experience, for what it is worth, is that most breeders i know will try to work with you if there are any issues. I have only bred 2 litters sofar and this is the way i do it : Before i mate my female i pick approxmately 5 males that would fit my female. Now i check the pedigrees of these males, including littermates, siblings, offspring of siblings. As you can easily imagine, this means a lot of research. My foremost concern doing this is to ensure the health and workability as well as the convermation of the stud, i intend to use. After all that is done i hopefully have a nice litter. I do not believe in " first pick " its strictly " first come , first served". And yes, if i intend to keep a pup out of my litter, i will choose it ! Does that mean then that the rest of the pups are crap ? Now i raise my pups the way it should be done, before they leave my house they are checked and get their first vaccination from my vet. I even have a stool test done to ensure the pups are free of parasites. Now the pup leaves my house, according to my vet as healthy as healthy can be. I have no controll over how this pup gets treated or cared for. You know it, aswell as we all know it, there are things we have no controll over. When nature takes its course, there is plain simply nothing we can do about. This does not mean we should not take any precaution, or not to try the best we can. I am a reasonable man, if there is an issue, talk to me, we will find a solution that will suit both sides. But please, dont jump on my back. My experience tought me, if there is a communication problem, the deal will go bad ! After all, puppys are a crapshot, regardless what someone tells you. Yes, if you buy a pup out of stable & sound parents your changes increase of having a stable & sound pup. But that has nothing to do with where the pup is from. More important is how the pup will be raised. Kind Regards Ulli Dresbach

DR, one thing i hole heartedly agree with you: Do your homework BEFORE you buy a pup ! See, if a GSD with all his needs, is what you desire. It is not easy to raise and train a GSD properly. Thank you hodie. There are good and bad peopel out there ...... problem is to find the honest ones :-) ! Ulli Dresbach

Desert Ranger- I agree if the breeder is close you should visit the pups 2 or 3 times. I usually encourage people to come and see them at 6 weeks so there is no possibility to take them home that day. Problem is they usually fall in love with a specific pup, want to pay for him or her so no one else can buy it and pick it up at 8 weeks. Such is life. I do alot of internet searching for dogs, I view hundreds of ads, contact numerous breeders, then slowly narow the list down. out of the narow list i start asking for videos ect. A lot of times I cannot go and physically see the dog, but by asking alot of the right questions, the fact I have done this before, the fact I know what I want to pay and what I feel the dog is worth, I have not been disappointed. I have purchased numerous dogs from some of the same people but have also taken the chance on others and was not disappointed. Sadly i think alot of the people who get ripped off set themselves up for it. They have not researched it, they really don't know what they are talking about, they get quoted an outrageous price and don't run, they really have no idea what they really want and they have no clue on what they are doing or how it works. Then they come on this board and cry about it. A lot of times they have never even talked to the breeder or broker first before jumping on the board. We especially as Americans, if we have a problem we want it solved that day. Everything is instant or like Jiffy lube 20 minutes or less. I have had a difficulty before on an import job and it took a couple of days for a response and it all worked out. If I had jumped the gun that I was being ignored I would have ruined a perfectly good relationship with someone I import with. People go to shows or trials for the weekend, they are not tied to their computers like we are, things come up. Are their the people out there that just plain and simple rip people off, yes and we here about them over and over, the people sure can find this site when they get ripped off, why could they not have found it and seen the other complaints on the person before spending the money. I might have gone a little off the subject, but I have seen more people complain on this site of being ripped by breeders in their own country than on imports and it is the same people doing it over and over. I wish I had the time to go and personally see every dog I purchase but unfortunately i don't. Oscar 1- very nice post, for english being a second launguage, very understandable. If I ever tried to write in German no one would ever understand me. P.S. what price range do your pups usually fall in. Mike