Orwell / Pls critique - Page 2

 Aline,

Before I answer the temperament part, this is the 2nd time on this forum I am told "teach him not to bite the leash" what does that exactly mean please?

Orwell is a serious dog, he likes to play but not over hyper, he is very friendly with people and dogs, he shows no fear, very attentive and pays close attention to his surroundings and always on the watch, at night when we set him loose in the farm he does not sleep at all, he keeps moving around and walks the perimeter of the farm and barks and runs to source of outside sound.
For sometime now we send him to help herd the neighbor's sheep, he is doing an excellent job as per the neighbor, runs fast and makes strong turns and does not give up and doesn't get tired.

Ibrahim 

Ibrahim....he sounds and looks like a really nice working dog....
I naturally assumed that he likes to bite and chew on the leash because you are using a chain leash instead of a leather or nylon. In my opinion, leather leashes are easier to handle and don't hurt your hands. Sorry if my assumption was incorrect....
Aline.... :)

 No not at all, now I understand why I was told so, thank you I thought it could be a dog term or something with another meaning, now I know.

Ibrahim

 Red Sable, wow that is a well put up critique. Thanks a lot. You know since that day I always look at the feet and make sure they are not splayed then I go to look at the other parts, I can say I learned a good deal so far but what really is hard to make my mind on is the front, it still is a weakness and I'm never sure of what I see in front of me or in a picture, I am trying hard to learn the front details but they are sort of hard and confusing.

Ibrahim

I like him. I'm a WL person that likes well put together dogs. He has a better front than rear, but it's still an OK rear, just a bit over angulated for me. Decent shoulder layback, deep chest with good width. Head is nice and topline good too. How is his gait? I would bet that his sidegait is better than his rear movement going away, but he probably uses his rear well enough.

The only thing I personally would try to improve, if you were to breed him, were to have a bitch that has all that he brings, but that she herself can help improve his rear and front feet too. I'm a big feet person -- and as they say, an animal doesn't stand on its head. His front toes are too long for my liking.

Otherwise, good for you. There is no such thing as a perfect dog. If his temperament is as good as your other boy, I think that's real fine. You want good conformation of course, but that working temperament, whether you compete or not is something you truly want to hang onto, even if you give way to a couple of minor, nickpicking conformation things like I've mentioned.:-)

 His temperament and character is almost same as the other one (Erri) except he is a bit more serious and less a player. In slow movement (gaiting) he is less but in speed and agility he is super, he is better in herding and can make sharper turns better than Erri. I don't think his feet are the best but the type of ground maybe worsens their look but they are not as concise and round as that of Erri. Thank you for the in depth critique, it is so valuable to me.

Ibrahim

He is absolutely gorgeous. He has a fantastic head and I love his expression.  He is really lovely.

 I am not sure if it is proper to ask this here or not but I will do:

Looks so far that Orwell the bi color has better critique than Erri the sable.
Erri has better gaiting, so beautiful to watch him do that and he does it all the time with big reach sure strides.
Orwell does gait occasionally but not as beautiful. Orwell is a better runner and has better endurance and can make sharp turns.
I was under the impression from some threads that the better conformed the better movement and endurance so how come Erri has better beautiful movement not Orwell?!

Ibrahim

And there Ibrahim,  you have something that looking a picture cannot determine, but is so very important. Orwell has speed, agility and is a good herder. These are the kinds of things that need to be considered in breeding over the minor conformation things.