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by shri on 31 July 2010 - 17:07
by Bob-O on 31 July 2010 - 23:07
I tell you what I would do just to satisfy myself. I would send the radiographs to the O.F.A. and ask their opinion as a preliminary evaluation. It is too late for this to change anything (the bitch is now spayed) but it would give you their opinion. Remember; just as with the S.V. there will be three (3) board-certified radiologists making the examination, and their findings will be averaged to develop the outcome. In the end; the O.F.A.'s Dr. Keller himself looks at the radiographs and the findings of the staff to determine whether he agrees with the findings. So in essence one has four (4) pairs of well-trained eyes that perhaps see more hip radiographs in a week that most would see in a lifetime.
The veterinarian positioned the dog poorly and did a poor job - end of story. I have assisted with the positioning of many dogs and it is not easy. That is why many choose to use a mild anesthesia in order to calm the dog as more than one (1) radiograph may be required. The elbow radiographs are positioned correctly.
Would I replace this puppy? That would depend 100% on the findings of the O.F.A.. If they think that dysplasie is present on either the hips or elbows, then the dog is dysplastic and you must abide by your contract. If they determine that both are passing; I would tell the people that (a) you will not replace the dog or refund the money, and (b) you will never sell them another dog. It is obvious they wanted to breed a couple of litters and make a few easy bucks. In my opinion - their decision to spay the bitch declared any contract to be null and void.
Good Luck!
Bob-O
by amysue on 31 July 2010 - 23:07
by DDR-DSH on 01 August 2010 - 00:08
There was nothing wrong with this dog's hips. Positioning could be a little better, IMO. Certainly not anything remotely close to crippling HD. I would not give them a replacement puppy. But then.. I would not have sold them a puppy, to begin with. I don't sell puppies anymore, and this is why. Stupid people.. Let them have 'pound mutts. They don't deserve any better.
by shri on 01 August 2010 - 17:08
by Prager on 01 August 2010 - 19:08
My warranty is written in a such way that the dog's x ray has to be submitted to me for evaluation and approval before send to OFA for final "unbiased" judgment. I judge quality of the negative (Focus, development) and positioning of the dog.
As far as this x ray goes, knee caps must point up like in the "bullseye" which they are not. That would help to better the grade of the hips. The pelvis is little off also and if done properly it would also help help a little.
I would like to ask, have you given them a permission to neuter the dog? Most breeder void their warranty if that is done without breeder's permission.
Also from my decades of experience I am willing to stick my head out here and will say that this dog has decent "working" hips and will never have any problem. The dog is too young to pass final judgment. The hips look OK at this point and may get worse or better(!!!)
However spaying will/ may exasperate the hips because spaying may lead to osteoporosis due to hormonal imbalance in females and add weight on the dog.
You as a breeder should have clear contract/warranty so that there are no questions if this problem arrives. People will trust to their vet's ahead of yours ( or mine) opinion. Thus back to my original point. OFA is final authority , no permitted spaying/neutering by the breeder is allowed and by me / you approved x rays only go to OFA for final evaluation.
Remember your warranty needs to be fair to the dog, to the buyer and to you.
If you or the buyer is not happy or if the dog suffers, than the deal was not a good deal .
That is why you need clear and detailed warranty.
I am sure it is not perfect but here is mine:
http://www.alpinek9.com/WARRANTY.html
Prager Hans
by Bob-O on 02 August 2010 - 11:08
I firmly belive that a lack of proper hormone levels will not allow the skeleton (and the other tissues) to mature as they should. A female is not physically and mentally mature until she is from twenty (20) to twenty-four (24) months of age, and needs normal hormone levels to develop properly. The same can be said for a male if one adds at least six (6) months to the ages stated for a female.
I do not know how much the veterinarian's practice is to blame here. Most veterinarians will plead and convince puppy buyers that it is the "right thing" to spay/neuter a puppy after the first heat. As far as I am concerned it is just a quick revenue generator, but I digress. I know that intact animals in the hands of careless people contribute greatly to the amount of unwanted dogs.
Best Regards,
Bob-O
by miles on 04 August 2010 - 20:08
by Nans gsd on 04 August 2010 - 22:08
by dbeden01 on 05 August 2010 - 01:08
I was interested in an experienced radiologist’s opinion; so here are the comments of my colleague, a board-certified radiologist, FYI:
“Agree with the left femoral joint. It is not only flattened but there is also already periarticualr new bone formation in the femoral neck (image is much clearer when downloaded). This is consistent with mild degenerative joint disease already.
Disagree with the elbow joints. I do not see the new bone formation on the olecranon and I think the sclerosis is not there.
Though I have not seen a dysplastic dog get better, I would re-radiograph at 24 months of age.”
On a personal note, I believe that it is quite likely that this dog will remain “working sound”, as there is a big difference between “radiographic evidence of mild dysplasia” and “lack of functionality”. This dog may even pass the German a-stamp at this age with better positioning, but less likely to pass OFA at 2 yrs. IMO, it would not be the first dog with “a-stamp” normal hips at 13 months of age that ends up being somewhat dysplastic once mature ... just too young to tell, especially if the hips appear “borderline” at a young age. There is a reason why OFA requires dogs to be at least two years old before obtaining a final rating ...
Daniela
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