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http://stoplynching.com/

Before the peanut monkeys go posting the pet-abuse link about me (my page), let me just point this out.. That too many police are treating police K9's as rogues and using lynching / hanging, slamming and kicking as standard training techniques. They should rarely, if ever, be used. Hanging a dog until it is out of breath and unconscious can convince that dog that you are righteously his alpha, but it is something that should be done only as an absolute last resort (the other option being the euthanasia / destruction of the dog), and only for mutiny against the handler.. i.e. unprovoked and uncontrollable handler aggression.

I had to do it once to a dog who had already done serious damage to several people.. one had to have piano wires to replace tendons that were severed in the forearm. This dog chewed me up to the extent that I needed fifty stitches in my left forearm, muscle and skin. I could SEE my tendon, and blood everywhere.. just wild experience, and I went totally primal and even broke a tooth, biting the dog back!!!! Yikes! (My dentist went into fits of laughter over this one!) But, this was a very unusual situation, a real Cujo of a dog, with a horrible reputation and a rap sheet, and someone needed to get control of him, so I did, two months after he did a job on me. It was that, or shoot the dog. NOT a DDR dog, by the way. His name was Ufo vom Fiemereck, and his mother's line was known to produce some crazy dogs (Sam von der Schinklergrenze line).

The thing is that the police have this hanging, helicoptering, slamming, kicking thing so deep in their culture, now. It's sort of a bragging right if you can say ("my dog is SO tough") that you have to do these things to your dog to keep control.. ????

A dog can be a really tough, strong dog and never challenge the owner. This is usually the case. Hanging and other forms of physical abuse are not "corrections", but hackery.

Too many idiots in K9 patrol. Sad.. This dog got hung / asphyxiated for barking too much..

Let me point out, also, that I did NOTHING to deserve or cause the trashing that Ufo gave me. I dared to go into his pen alone at ten o'clock at night and try to pet him. I'd had him for ten days. There was a female in the run (who was very nervous.. even the most confident bitches were afraid of Ufo). I just didn't know enough about dogs, yet, and I had NEVER encountered a dog like Ufo, before. Think, "White Fang" and "Jack London". Fortunately, these dogs are very, very, VERY RARE!!!!! They would never be suitable for police work.. maybe patrol in a jungle, with one handler who knew what he was dealing with and needed a dog that would kill anyone else he encountered, should the handler be killed. Very limited use for dogs like Ufo, and it was genetic.. strange behaviors seen in his offspring, and other dogs from this same line. I think you cannot find this line, anymore.. No one wanted it, once the word really got out about them. Martin Steffen of Fiemereck kennel had these dogs and they were very anatomically beautiful, ahead of their time, but he had to get completely out of them.. such a bad reputation they gave his kennel, back in the 80's.

Even with Ufo, though.. I was able to establish a relationship based on trust and mutual respect. Once I had control of him, I treated him with tenderness and fairness. I would not tolerate any insubordination, and he knew it, but I would never brutalize the dog senselessly, or "just to show him who's boss".

Hi DDR,

Are you ready for your intervention?

SP

 by LaPorte on 05 February 2007 - 04:02
LaPorte

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DDR-DSH, I remember you posting a while back about how to collect from a dead dog.  You obviously like to write. Weeding thru your posts, I'm a little lost. You get a dog that has already put several people in the hospital. You then claim that you were lucky to get out of his kennel run alive when you first got him. You then proceed to breed him and no matter which dam, the pups are admittedly crazy, but...you try just another litter, and maybe another. You then say that you had to come within a hair's breath of killing him, and that dealing with him gave you such problems that you once grabbed a stranger by the throat in a supermarket. You claim the dog had to be on a heavy chain at all times (you were very kind to make sure the chain was heavy so it would not entangle his legs), and that he could not be handled without a muzzle. You then give a step by step in how to choke a dog until they pass out, and are wonderful enough to remind us all to stay safe (ie. immobilize the dog) and to remember to give the dog air quickly after they pass out. You talk about using a hardwood broom handle over and over, and relate a 'funny anecdote' about twisting a stick thru his collar like a tourniquette.
There is no reason to keep a dog that puts several people in the hospital, and that you have to physically restrain CONSTANTLY (muzzle and heavy chain) to insure that he never hurt anyone again. THIS IS IRRESPONSIBLE. And to add this dog to the gene pool? What is the logic behind that, when according to DDR-DSH, she KNEW the dog was completely dangerous. THIS IS IRRESPONSIBLE. People like this are one of the reasons our breed has problems. Oh, and let's teach the public about how to make your dog pass out. That's really intelligent and makes our GSD community look like responsible owners - someone boasting about owning the meanest dog on the planet and promoting methods to choke it into submission...great. Then, let's look back at the "Let's Scramble to Make Some More Puppies" post - where she tries to teach all of us that when your stud dog dies, it IS possible, if you keep him warm enough - to squeeze just one more litter out of him (and if you're lucky, maybe several).  And some people get blinded by the fact that she writes 5 and 6 long posts at a time and call her an expert? She likes to see her words in print. EXPERTS don't promote the methods above on public messageboards. It's plain and simple - EXPERTS are aware of the issues we are all facing, and show some public responsibility. I don't even see common sense in her posts. Who gets so freaked by their own dog that they grab a stranger by the throat in a supermarket? Get some help.....that's NOT normal.  IF the person in the link is not DDR-DSH, I'm sure she will straighten it out and I apologize.  I, however, still stand behind my opinion that her long flowing prose is empty and her writings are irresponsible. And if I ever meet her, I'm keeping my throat covered.
(the peanut monkey)

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DDR,
UFO was just trying to get something to eat because you were starving him like the other dogs you had.  The poor dog was just hungry, if you had fed him he might have been nice to you.  Or perhaps he saw the other dogs dying and living in feces and was just trying to escape. 

Regarding the dog in the article it is a tremendous tragedy.  No animal should ever be treated that way, truly horrible and abusive.  Just as horrible and abusive as what Janice Bartmess, aka DDR-DSH did to her own dogs. 

Dooberdoodle posted a fantastic explanation of how he would deal with handler-directed aggression without hanging a dog.

Link to Doberdoodle's post:  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/forum/49465.html