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Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 25 July 2010 - 19:07

"It is also permissible for a dog to be 2-2 on littermates rather than the same dog, for SV registration."

That's not really a 2-2.

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 25 July 2010 - 19:07

"In in breeding , it is breeding of closely matched dogs in 2nd upto 5 th generation."

Huh?

NoCurs

by NoCurs on 26 July 2010 - 00:07

While somewhere they may be a "technical" definition of "inbreeding", in reality the definition is in the breeder's own mind (or buyers).  Some breeds have a culture of inbreeding, some breeds have a culture which really discourages it.  Most domestic animals (particularily farm animals) and many wild species are INTENSELY in bred.

*most* people seem to agree that breeding littermates is the tightest form of in-breeding.
After that is sire to daughter, or dam to son. 

Grandfather to grandaughter is a time honored method of breeding, and do YOU consider it inbreeding or linebreeding?

Inbreeding brings out and sets recessives.  An inbred dog is only as good as the genetics that went into it, and the breeder's ability to cull out the unwanted genetics.  Line breeding *can* get you to the same place, but at a much slower pace and without as intense a result.

Diane
"I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made." Franklin D. Roosevelt  

prasac

by prasac on 30 July 2010 - 15:07

thanks everyone

VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 30 July 2010 - 15:07

Technically not, Keith, but you will hear people refer to a dog linebred on "X" litter.

I have no real knowledge of the German language, but I have been told that there are no separate terms for inbreeding and linebreeding, that they are English terms and in German there is only a word for inbreeding, "inzucht" , which is then defined by the numbers we see (i.e. 3-3). Is this correct?

by geordiegaviino on 01 August 2010 - 09:08

THIS SORT OF OFFSPRING IS ILLEGAL IN HUMANS FOR GOOD REASON!

The only inbreeding that should be allowed is cousin - cousin but even then science have said the children born can go either way.

The royal family have married their cousins and uncles (i think uncle and niece marriages are now illegal) for years and it has produced longitivity on some views but other scientists believe it has weakend their genes. I think it was the spanish royal family that suffered from a blood illness due to inbreeding which makes the vains more clear and look more blue. The "Blue blood" saying comes from this illness. I dont know the details and i may be wrong on some level so please feel free to correct me.

Methemoglobinemia - i think the illness is called but am not sure (again i may be wrong)


darylehret

by darylehret on 01 August 2010 - 16:08


Diane Jessup

by Diane Jessup on 01 August 2010 - 22:08

Don't know if it is true, but I heard that the term "blue blood" came from the fact that peasants hands were so tanned/dirty that you could not see the veins, but that the "royalty" had white, clean hands and the blood looked blue...

Again,if you think inbreeding is "horrible", talk to your local dairy farmer. He will disagree with you - with facts, not opinions.





 


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