Would you buy from this breeder? Opinions wanted! - Page 2

sold as a pet with no breeding rights - this would explain the CKC registration then - puppies would not be eligible for AKC registration no matter the bloodlines.  Betcha the long-coated dam doesn't have breeding rights either.

molly

No!  The answers are vague.  If she had titled, health certified dogs she would be saying so, not talking about grandpares and their prices and bla bla bla.  Long coat dam....no thanks.  Generally people who market strictly based on "world class bloodlines" do so because their OWN dogs have no titles or show ratings to back them up.  You can buy dogs from puppy mills and pet stores with "world class bloodlines".

After doing a little bit of research I have found out quite a bit of information on this "breeder" that Ashley came into contact with. It seems she is running one big fraud operation... none of her dogs come with breeding rights. She collects them from various places, and CKC registers them. She has even conned an owner out of papers on a dog that was not to be bred under any circumstances. A source known for absolute sure is that one her her "prized World Class stud dogs" is from this female who is now considered stolen by a well known kennel (see link). The dog was born out of this Dam, and thus obviously not eligible for AKC papers. This woman is an absolute fraud, and anyone looking for a GSD or any other animal for that matter should RUN, not walk from this woman. She deals in German Shepherds, Horses, and any other breed she can acquire and make a quick buck off of. She is currently being investigated. If you would like further details on who this woman is, as well as her e-mail addresses, telephone numbers, location and of course name/kennel name please send me a PM. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SCREEN YOUR BUYERS!!! That last thing we need in the GSD world is a woman like this getting her hands on our dogs!!!!!

STOLEN DOG (Dam to one of her "World Class Studs") 
http://www.lundborg-land.com/german-shepherds/general/mike-nguyen-of-santa-ana/

AS USUAL THERE ARE TOO MANY SOMEWHAT GUTSY BUT NOT GUTSY ENOUGH INVIDUALS HIDING BEHIND THEIR SCREENS SPITTING OUT NOTHING BUT LIES AND MISINFORMATION.IF ONE CHOOSES TO CKC REGISTER THEIR LITTERS THAT IS THEIR RIGHT AND THEIR BUSINESS.UNLESS THEY HAVE SIGNED CONTRACTS STATING THEY ARE NOT GIVEN PERMISSION TO BREED A DOG THEY HAVE EVERY LEGAL RIGHT TO,AND IF ONE CHOOSES TO BUY AND THEN RESELL A HORSE,DOG,CHICKEN,RABBIT,VEHICLE OR WHATEVER IT IS AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT IS THEIR LEGAL RIGHT AND THEIR BUSINESS.AS FAR AS BEING CALLED A PUPPY MILL OWNING A TOTAL OF FOUR DOGS IS FAR FROM BEING THAT,FOR GODS SAKES WHERE I LIVE YOURE NOT EVEN REQUIRED BY LAW TO HAVE A KENNEL PERMIT FOR THAT MANY AND THAT IS WHY I CHOOSE TO LIVE WHERE I DO.SO WHOEVER IS INVESTIGATING GO AHEAD INVESTIGATE ALL YOU WANT I AM LEGAL IN EVERY WAY I HAVE FRAUDED NO ONE SO GET A LIFE WHO EVER YOU ARE YOU KNOW WHO THIS IS FOR.KEEP HARPING IT WILL DO YOU NO GOOD,SO YOU DON'T LIKE IT I AM BREEDING SHOW QUALITY DOGS WITH CKCS I MIGHT BE THE FIRST BUT WON'T BE THE LAST. 

can dogs with CKC registration be shown?  Where can they be shown?  If they can't be shown without a legitimate registration, how can you call them "show quality"?  More fraud to the puppy buyers.    And, isn't buying a puppy that has limited or no legitimate registration papers signed by the owner, a hint to you that the dog is being sold without breeding rights?  Buyer beware!!!!

molly
http://workinggermanshepherd.com

Let me clarify that one for you Molly,"Show Quality"referring to correctness in conformation,temperament and pigment."Showable"they are not and are never advertised as.Actually the CKC does agility competitions and are striving to put together purebred conformation shows as well as we speak.I very much look forward to it becoming an actuality.

But see, what is legal is not necessarily ethical:)
--Mary

Her dogs come from various places, mainly she gets them from places like Craigslist, Recycler, and Pennysaver. Sadly she wouldn't know "Show Quality" if it bit her in the bud! Heck check out the photo of her "World Class" (who was deemed pet quality by his breeder) stud dog: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/forum/17128.html

Her "World Class" males were both sold with NO AKC Registration

Titan Vom Haus Awad: Was a PET QUALITY dog, who she has tried numerous times to obtain papers on, finally got the dog CKC registration. See this thread http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/234368.html (This is in regards to Titan, and "her friend" is actually her)

Tabo Vom Haus Awad: Is the offspring to a female being bred with absolutely NO PERMISSION, thus he is also not eligible for AKC papers. (His mother: http://www.lundborg-land.com/german-shepherds/general/mike-nguyen-of-santa-ana/)


Her "World Class" females were also obtained as "non breeding dogs" ......

Aisha von Arizona: A longcoated female she obtained from Marion Burcham from Kennel von Arizona. She did not want the dog bred, but was given a story by this woman that she was a "family" with no other dogs and just wanted a companion. Of course she didn't tell the woman she had full intent on breeding the dog. Against Marion's wishes, she has bred the dog to Titan Vom Haus Awad, and has a litter due this spring.

Lady vom Bredanvic Reyes: A female that was advertised on the Recycler for $100 as a PET/COMPANION only, they were not selling her with papers because they didn't want her bred. She purchased the dog, and two weeks later contacted them and told them "her vet would not spay her without the AKC papers" yadda yadda yadda, and managed to con the papers from her. The dog who was already 5-6 years old, produced two litters for her, and she was then sent to a real pet home. *Her last litter produced two puppies, one being a Liver/Tan puppy, which this woman thought she hit the jackpot, and advertised it for an abnoxious price, stating that it was "rare" and very valuable.   

She also has had a few not so "World Class" dogs she has kept back from her own breedings, etc. She obtains dogs from people who can no longer keep their dogs, and makes them feel as if she is a pet home, who is just looking for a companion to love, when in reality she is a breeder who doesn't want to shell out the money to purchase her own "World Class Dogs" with titles, show ratings, etc. She would rather go around collecting dogs from people who did pay the pretty penny for them as puppies, but for whatever reason can no longer keep them! She then uses phrases like "World Class" , "Show Quality", "Titled" in her ads, referring mainly to her NON TITLED, "no body" dogs parents/grandparents/and so on. She is adding to the already troubled pet population with her "pet quality" dogs, and knows she is, claiming she is catering to the pet market... which in itself is disgusting. 

She also says "GOOD QUALITY/GOOD LOOKING DOGS don't end up in Shelters, or Rescues" .....

Here is a prime example: http://www.sheprescue.org/Graf%20von%20Geneva.html ... Now I personally think this boy is good looking. As are most of the wonderful dogs on their website looking for new homes !  (All GSD's are pretty lol)

This woman is using our dogs, and our hard work to market her pet quality (illegally bred) puppies! She needs to be stopp