Breed Standard Changes in UK (GSD and non-GSD) - Page 2

With the banning of incest, what happens to dogs that have already gained champed status but are say 2-2 bred?

Also what will they accept in the way of line breeding?

sunsilver you do not know what you are talking about a roach back is when the back is higher than the withers fact, all the links you put up not one dog has a roach back and if you prefer the type of a 1962 dog you have major problems i take it you do not have any modern equipment in your home kennels or car everything in life changes as we learn hence the reason you walk on 2 legs its called progress
jim h

Yes, as a matter of fact, I DO! Last time I looked, the standard called for a STRAIGHT back, not one that looked like a ski slope or a camel!

This all began with the Martin brothers. If you want to see how the GSD has changed in the last two decades, go here:
http://www.asuperiorgsd.com/p2p.html?seenIEPage=1

Why has the dog changed? What purpose does the roach serve? Some say it came about as a reaction to the weak, saggy backs produced by Rolf vom Osnabruckerland. Others say the breeders were trying to produce a so-called 'iron back' , one that was curved like a bridge, so it wouldn't sag when the judge pressed on it.

I think another reason for it is that the curve allows the dog to step further underneath its body to produce a stride as long as possible. Unfortunately, nothing in life is free, and becauce the dog's rear is closer to the ground, some of the energy is re-directed upwards, causing the dog to lift its front end too much.

The roach has been discussed a great deal on the PDB. Follow the links below for more information:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/160245.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/21089.html#21119

Here's the sort of gait this type of back is producing:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/classifieds/71481.html

It makes me want to puke!

su silver, i will say again a roach back is when the back is higher than the withers this is a fact. the dogs you say are roached are not  read the standard and understand that a straight back and a level back are two entirely different things a straight line is a straight line whether it is a 20 degree straight line or a 0 degree straight line  a level line tho must be level ie o degree 

The withers must be long and high, sloping slightly from front to rear, defined against the back into which it gently blends without breaking the top line.
 

The croup is long and slightly angled (approximately 23 degrees). The ileum and the sacrum are the foundation bones of the croup. Short, steep or flat croups are undesirable.
jim h

This is the amended statement from the kennel club.  Text that is underlined is new.  It also shows what has been removed (Brackets).

Body Length measured from point of shoulder [delete: breast bone] to point of buttock [delete: rear edge of pelvis], slightly exceeding height at withers. Correct ratio 10 to 9 or 8 and a half. Undersized dogs, stunted growth, high-legged dogs, those too heavy or too light in build, over-loaded fronts, too short overall appearance, any feature detracting from reach or endurance of gait, undesirable. Chest deep (45-48 per cent) of height at shoulder, not too broad, brisket long, well developed. Ribs well formed and long; neither barrel-shaped nor too flat; allowing free movement of elbows when gaiting. Relatively short loin. Belly firm, only slightly drawn up. Back between withers and croup, straight, strongly developed, not too long. Overall length achieved by correct angle of well laid shoulders, correct length of croup and hindquarters. [Delete: Withers long, of good height and well defined, joining back in a smooth line without disrupting flowing topline, slightly sloping from front to back] The topline runs without any visible break from the set on of the neck, over the well defined withers, falling away slightly in a straight line to the gently sloping croup. The back is firm, strong and well muscled.  Loin broad, strong, well muscled. Weak, soft and roach backs highly undesirable and should be [delete: rejected] heavily penalised. Croup [delete ‘long’] slightly sloping and without any break in the topline, merges imperceptibly with the set on of the tail.  [Delete: curving downwards to tail without disrupting flowing topline]. Short, steep or flat croups highly undesirable.

So, you're trying to tell me this is a straight back? LOL!