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by wscott00 on 21 February 2008 - 19:02
when you lease a female you are basically buying the entire litter. Or you can work it our however, like you breed to my male and ill buy 4 puppyes for $x. or ill give you $x for the entire litter. most agreements ive seen have the owner of the bithc getting cash as well as a puppy.
im considering doig it my self.
by mnm on 21 February 2008 - 19:02
It's probably more common than you think. Nothing wrong with it and it can be beneficial to both parties, the owner of the female and the leasee. Prime example is someone wanting the bloodlines, without having to invest a lot of money into a very high priced individual.
Marsha Seck
by zacsmum on 21 February 2008 - 19:02
why lease rather than buy? Just curious.
by Two Moons on 21 February 2008 - 20:02
In other words, I want pups from stud Y, out of bitch X , and I'll pay everyone involved to get it dont?
by Two Moons on 21 February 2008 - 20:02
done.....:) sorry
by Brittany on 21 February 2008 - 20:02
Why the heck would anyone be willing to increase the stress level in a female just so that they can get more money????? For Crist sakes people! Dogs are not like cars! Cars can be leased out but animals have no business being leased out.
Would you get your daughter pregnant and then lease her out to a complete stranger who's willing to give you money until she given birth????
No wonder PETA enjoys harassing breeders because some breeders do the most ultimate stupid things and this is one of them, leasing out bitches to complete strangers, how humane is that!?!?
I need to give my bitch, Zambi a hug and kiss for this one and to tell her that she will never have to suffer from greed of humans.
I can just imagine PETA reading this thread and having a field day.
by wscott00 on 21 February 2008 - 20:02
im looking to lease a female. I have no desire to buy a female but want to breed my male to a granddaughter or great granddaughter of SG Tim von der Abfuhr. this way i can have the entire litter, pick out the 2 or 3 i like and place the rest.
im also considering buying a female, breeding her, then giveing her away. ill have to see which one works best.
by eichenluft on 21 February 2008 - 20:02
I've "leased" females several times. Brings new blood into my program and I don't have to buy a female (much more expensive to buy a good female than lease one). You make an agreement with the owner of the female, simple as that. Whatever works for both parties, that's how you do it. In my case, the arrangements were with friends, so we trusted one another to start with - if you lease a female to someone you don't know/trust, then make sure you know who is responsible for vet bills, what happens if the female is injured, needs emergency c-section, loses all puppies, gets hit by a car... You get the picture. The "deal" I had was, I leased a female - no lease "fee" so it was more like "borrowing" her. The owner of the female got 1/2 the litter, or 1/2 the money from each puppy. I, as the "lessee" got 1/2 the litter, and was responsible for stud fee, and all reasonable vet bills (progesterone testing, supplements, etc) - anything "above and beyond" such as c-section, serious injury or sick puppy vet bills, we split 50/50. But bottom line is, whatever works for both parties is the deal you make.
ps I would always be interested in borrowing/leasing a quality, well-bred, Schh titled, OFA female for my program, it's worked very well for me in the past and seems to be beneficial for all involved (even the female, who of course is very well cared for)
molly
by k9mommy on 21 February 2008 - 20:02
Leasing of a female to be bred is risky business. There really isn't a standard as you would compare to say a stud fee/puppy exchange arrangement for Stud Dogs. There are too many variables when dealing with the unknown bitch and probability of the litter. Further, I couldn't trust my dog in the hands of another person, especially if it is dealing with breeding and whelping her.
From the lessor's standpoint, there is no upside, except to capitalize on your opportunity costs of the female. In other words, make money on the bitch without whelping a litter yourself or having to sell her.
From the lessee's standpoint, it is a great oportunity to get that outside blood you desire without having to purchase the bitch outright.
The lease amount should be directly proportionate to the value of the bitch being leased. It should not be based on the possiblity of the litterIf I could purchase a proven brood bitch for 4500 euro, why would I want to lease it for anthing more than a fraction of its market value?
K9sar06, I see you have your female advertised for a possible lease arrangement. Wasn't she the same dog previously advertised as being bred to your stud dog?
As I said, this is risky business.
by Mystere on 21 February 2008 - 21:02
The terms are what the two parties agree to. The owner of the bitch may also be interested in a pup from a particular breeding, but not want the hassle of whelping it. The solution, when a stud and bitch have what looks like great potential together may simply be that the bitch goes to the stud owner for breeding, gestation, whelping and the stud owner is responsible for all medical costs, food, etc. Then, the bitch's owner gets his/her pick puppy, puppy and mother go back to bitch-owner. Stud owner keeps the rest of the litter. OR, the two may agree to split the proceeds from the breeding. OR, the stud owner may pay a specified amount for the use of the bitch for a specific breeding and/or time period.
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