Panda Shepherd - Page 2

The gene responsible for the White German Shepherd Dog has nothing whatsoever to do with white spotting genes.

The father who started this "panda" thing was a working line male, Brain von der Wolper Lowen SchH3. His pedigree is here on the database.

Mother Madchen was a solid black female, American show lines, working lines, a motley crue of breeding, but OFAed. Decent overall breeding quality. Yes, both parents were DNAed, and the founder only sold extremely limited GSD pups with lots of white on them with breeding rights-a vast majority was sold with spay/neuter to keep the monopoly on the situation.

Anything interesting can be capitalized upon by human beings.

GSDs with big white spotch markings on them is not a rare thing. Just typical breeders didn't advertise them, but probably either culled them, or sold/gave them away without papers due to the embarrassment of producing them.

They exist,even if they're not from this 'exclusive' lineage of the Panda craze started by the "panda breeder". Want proof? Here's some GSD pups in three different locations (none are the panda breeder location) with lots of white on them just like these supposed panda shepherds, just maybe not as fancy a pedigree and most if not all of these come with full breeding rights. But they're the SAME THING.
http://www.hoobly.com/0/0/659360.html, http://www.hoobly.com/0/0/649934.html, http://www.hoobly.com/0/0/642220.html 

Three advertisements for such marked GSDs from one advertising location alone. Kinda shoots being rare/exclusive in the head.

i dont remember alot on this situation, but wasnt one part of the pedigree junk? whos to say that some dog in that part wasnt mix breed...looks like they need to do the "whos your daddy" test.

as for the coloring, IMO, i think it could be a mutation. think about it, if you breed two shepherds together that have white on them, you get a pup with white, most likely one with more white than its parents. then breed it to another one...and so on. such happens when you dont care about the breed, just the money.

i think its wrong for people to sell colors not desired and claim them "rare". this "rariety" is a mess-up. alot say "well you cant criticize the dog, if it can do the work." put titles- actual SchH titles- and ill zip my mouth.

im not sure how the blue eyes came to be, and ive heard that in the beginning these people claimed they wouldnt breed these dogs....well im not suprised at what has happened.

katjo74,

one of those ads is from the same state as phenoms.

in fact all three of them are fairly close to Phenom. one is 25 minutes away, one is 30 minutes away, and the other is 3 hours away. willing to bet its off her stock.

"GSDs with big white spotch markings on them is not a rare thing." (katjo74)

That statement made me remember an american line GSD website, which has a picture of one of it's champions, blanket back dog with an almost completely white colored chest.  As I recall, it's a pretty big name, but darnitall, I can not remember who it is.

I know, Moose, but that breeder has had a 'monopoly' on her breeding stock-I'd say 95+% sold on mandatory spay/neuter with stiff penalties written into the purchase contract for violation of such like confiscation of all progeny produced with a panda GSD bought from her on spay/neuter contract (last I heard that was how it was) plus a hefty $$$$ penalty. Long story, but that's at least how it was some years ago. The pups in those Hoobly ads are not from her stock (she would CRAP to see pups pictured in kennels like in those ads and would probably attempt to confiscate them if they were from her stock!).
Shadow Oaks Texas Star, aka Texas, was a grandsire to her Frankie (Frankie's black mother Madchen's FATHER), not a granddam as previously mentioned-he was a solid black male with a watchdog title. I knew him personally a few years before he died.

Yes, I remember that dog also, Sue. Kinda rather shocking, but I don't recall where it was, either. Big ole white chest-such an eyesore IMO.

This is quite funny, because in your private email you said the pups were sold on spay neuter contract, yet on here, you say almost all. The thing some people seem to forget are there are ways around the contract situation, whos to say that the pups sold without breeding rights were bred anyway, not registered with AKC? she cant prove this. or the pups sold with breeding rights...whos to say what happens to there pups....

im glad to see that all your dog has to have is an OFA for it to be ok to breed, i guess people feel there is something to contribute.