Breed Standard Changes in UK (GSD and non-GSD)

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by pod on 21 January 2009 - 08:01

David, you respond to my posts but when I ask questions of you, you conveniently use this notion of game playing. I can only assume it is because you are unable to answer.

by reason on 21 January 2009 - 08:01

I am not sure that the usual argument of working v breed or breed v working has a place on this thread, we should be concentrating on finding a way to have the international standard of GSD including the breeding system the pinnacle of our aims and to that end should be mandating our breed clubs assoc and councils and there are plenty of them to instruct the KC on there influence of our breed , if they are unable or unwilling to do so then maybe we should be looking to ourselves to place the right minded people in positions and help them take the breed on the correct way forward, this is a marathon and not a race, and maybe a committeee formed from people not already involved in the management of our breed is a small step in the right direction!
To have influence the committee would need to be a blend of breed and working to bring genuine balance to the thought process and to include people who have moved from breed to working and still have a genuine interest in the BREED Thes are not to difficult to find C Bows R James R White names that spring to mind and i am sure there are others,
Just needs someone to pick this up and run with it
One thing id SURE our present partnership MUST do something positive here and quickly
I give an example
TOP SV breed judge comes over to judge (dont now there names anymore) he makes his line up and KC rep comes into the ring and says sorry you cant do that the dog at the back looks more like this picture, it will not change the result on the day but when he goees back to Germany, how many more SV judges will visit!

by Kaffirdog on 21 January 2009 - 09:01

Given that the Breed Standard was drawn up to give the optimum construction for a GSD to be able to function and all versions are breeders and judges interpretation of it within it's guidelines, the real question is where improvement ends and exaggeration begins.

This is a typical working line dog in in a show stance, though overstretched.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/2920.html

Is the modern showline dog really an improvement on this and if you think so, in what way are they "more" to the standard?.

Margaret N-J
www.nyrvana.co.uk

by Videx on 21 January 2009 - 09:01

Let me give you an even more likely example. The SV consider the changes in the Kennel Club GSD Breed Standard are unacceptable, the SV are also aware of the Kennel Club rules which require foreigh Judges to Judge according to the Kennel Club Rules and the Kennel Club Standard when they Judge in the United Kingdom. So the SV decide that SV Judges cannot Judge GSD in the United Kingdom under these conditions.

by pod on 21 January 2009 - 09:01

David, could you please try answering the questions of why you consider the modern show dog to be closer to the standard than both the dogs of the 80s and the modern working line dog. It will then give us some insight into how you interpret certain aspects of the standard, and why you see the new KC one as unacceptable.

by Member on 21 January 2009 - 09:01

Many years ago the SV stopped all publication in any magazines of which they had a connection photos of American GSD`s which were overstretched long in proportions with excessive hindquarters. I see no reason why when thay see the Photo and the standard being put forward by the UK Kennel Club it will only be a matter of time before some action is taken here with regards allowing judges to the UK . The photo which was discussed on the 20th of November 2008 at a meeting with the KC and still remains on their site is a clear indication of any response we are going to get when discussing the way forward. That picture should be removed with immediate effect and replaced with a dog the KC gives credit to with their own awards ie CC`s and replaced with the breed record holder Ch Gayvilles Nilo. This shows no favour to this particular dog apart from the fact the KC under their rules conditions and the standard they accepted allowed this dog to hold this honour. When you think of all the good that can be achieved by enforcing and making health requirements a part of the registration system and all we are doing is messing with the standard I sometimes give up!!!
John Ward

by reason on 21 January 2009 - 10:01

Good post John But can we be assured that the Partnership are doing ALL they can on this subject, ie haw many times since the last meeting have the KC been reminded, have the membership if BAGSD and GSDL been advised and indeed have suggested to their members that they ALL lobby the KC on the subject, just think if the KC were to get 100/200 letters, not emails to be deleted from the inbox but letters writeen to a single member of the KC copied to say G Stephens B Honey and the B C Chaeirman might that at least get attention

by pod on 21 January 2009 - 10:01

I'd go along with that John. That current photo does not reflect the new (or old) standard and should be changed as a priority. Nilo is the obvious choice.

by Videx on 21 January 2009 - 11:01

Using the photo of CH. Gayville's Nilo is an excellent idea John, being one of the Judges to award Nilo a CC, I can honestly say he is one of those GSD that are the closest to the breed standard ideal, in stance.

I am informed that the Kennel Club, at the meeting with "The GSD Partnership" on the 29th November 2008, gave "The GSD Partnership" until the 30th March 2009 to get back to them in respect of the BREED STANDARD. This being the case, we must ensure that our very strong feeling and the potentially serious consequences of the Kennel Clubs "proposed" changes to our GSD Breed Standard, are communicated to The Kennel Club in the most comprehensive manner, including, I hope, a strongly worded comment from the German SV.

We must all be patient and determined, and we must offer our fullest support to "The GSD Partnership". Some may believe they are not up to the task, I simply believe they are our best hope, and "The GSD Partnership" consists of all the ingredients that we need for our breeds protection and future progress. No organisation is perfect, however I do believe "The GSD Partnership" can and will deliver what is realistically achievable under present circumstances. We should all give them our fullest support, and the opportunity and the time to pursue the numerous major issues currently prevailent in our breed. Patience and determination will be our most important strengths; along with our united support, I am sure considerable progress can be made.

by reason on 21 January 2009 - 11:01

Videx

Does it really take 4 months to consider this! i think the KC will just continue to prolong untill they get their own way

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