2008 Master World Schutzhund Tornament

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by Aqua on 07 February 2008 - 02:02

Fiona,

Regarding Carlos' criteria for selecting invitees, it's his party, he can choose whomever he wants and really doesn't have to explain anything to anybody. Why is it so important to know what the selection criteria were/are? It's a private event. Let's just go an have fun, 'k?

by Aqua on 07 February 2008 - 03:02

Carlos, in the event you have the time to check in here occasionally, I do have a question about accommodations.

All the hotels/motels listed on the event's Website specify 'no pets'. Where are the competitors going to stay? Or spectators who travel with their dogs? Also, for RVers, are their pet friendly campgrounds nearby?

by Zahnburg on 07 February 2008 - 04:02

Speaknow,

I pray you learn to become more efficient in your writing style. Wading through your prolonged diatribes of poor syntax and general butchering of the english language is becoming quite tiresome. My sincere recommendation is that you begin with smaller words, learn to use them correctly, then work your way up to the larger words.

May I also suggest that you make a concerted effort to read more carefully so that in the future you will be able to address the proper people in your (lengthy) rebuttal?

Until such measures are taken, I will not respond to your rebuttal, as I refuse to subject myself, and the other contributers to this conversation, to your (quite frankly) babbling bullshit.

Regards

by Rezkat5 on 07 February 2008 - 04:02

Aqua,

I did a quick search of the New Egypt area and there are some Pet Friendly hotels a bit further out.

by ramgsd on 07 February 2008 - 05:02

rus	2008 Master World Schutzhund Tornament (0 replies)	27 Janúar 2008 - 07:01
Reply	Is this Apache? http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=0E6PD6QgXFU

rus

2008 Master World Schutzhund Tornament (0 replies)

27 Janúar 2008 - 07:01

Is this Apache?

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=0E6PD6QgXFU

Yes this is Apache. Ivan says his name a number of times in the video. It's just a little hard to hear as Ivan doesn't raise his voice much even when he's giving the commands. if you listen around the 4:50 mark you can hear Ivan clearly say his name "Apache" when the dog meets him around the other side of the blind.

Rick

by Speaknow on 07 February 2008 - 07:02

And so this silly fandango rolls on … Having joined mere days ago, the last thing I expected was to be embroiled with a moronic, lunatic redneck-like fringe of schutzhund fanatics. Yet they seem to swarm everywhere now, or so I’m told, outside of Germany and the like anyway. All taking one aspect of the many contributing to proper GSD make-up way out of context, blowing it into mammoth proportions at the expense of all else, and invading boards as these with their grotesquely fevered views, and then as if their very lives were at stake! What naturally moves them above all is schutzhund’s bite/man-work features; whereas they personally seem to pursue, personify, and identify with the same aggression they seek to instill in their animals! Don’t get me wrong: this ‘dienst’ with dogs trained, tested, results expertly interpreted by the properly qualified, plays a pivotal and bona fide role as a form of quality control, or of proving a dog’s ‘body and spirit’, so to speak. Elsewhere though it appears to be mushrooming into something entirely different: some kind of owner ego-tripping end to itself, with the training often left to gung-ho characters who’d often do better to leave the sport altogether. It also delivers ongoing fertile ammunition to anti dog sport lobbies and bestows the general public with a totally false and undeserved image of what our multi-tasked GSD is really meant to be about. In effect inflicting a poisoned chalice gratuitously upon the rest of the GSD society, whether they like it or not. Many may also ask how emphasizing or selecting for a few isolated specific schutzhund-desired traits (much misinterpreted by the less expert to boot) fits with ever-increasing urbanization, the very communities or families where most offspring end up. I’d also question what proportion of working animals spend all their days locked in kennels, bored out of their wits, their psyche and natural drives screwed in the process, chronically frustrated by the sheer fact of being unable to fulfil the very working roles for which they’re bred and trumpeted - other than to be released a few times a week for brook-no-nonsense rigidly set training routines, and then only so the hopeful owner may bask in glory at the next competition. The increasing gap or polarization between working and show or conformation dogs – to some degree an artificial divide - is a curse as well in my opinion. Without waffling on about bloodlines, the simple fact is that each group has an abundance of good traits for exchange with the other, and the sooner they’re melded into one the better off the breed will be. Then, the present situation of countless Breeders and other buyers all chasing pups or litters sired by the same handful of top VA studs blights the scene even more. In fact, those vaunted VA’s, superficially anyway, are all starting to look like copies of one another!

by Speaknow on 07 February 2008 - 07:02

Tangogsd: If it pleases, I stand corrected on first count. But best of all, once we have enough entrepreneurs running their own private shows, we can forget about the clubs or SV grading/qualification etc altogether, concentrate solely on price-money, and tout litters on the basis of these wins alone. (Maybe also discard the Dienst’s more time-consuming, less exiting aspects?) Schutzhund will finally have arrived. I can hardly wait! Mystere: Sweet Monika – what a gal, eh? Night-school clearly has a lot to offer you, Mystere. By the way, can’t really see why Carlos’s show should fail – I like the fellow and hope for his sake it’s a great success. If anyone can pull it off, he can. I mean that sincerely but this doesn’t mean I have to subscribe to its underlying concept. Betty: Fully agree, Betty. I’m a bit surprised by all the fuss myself to be honest. ListenNow: Come now, friend, you’re starting to sound like some entranced Evangelist – “we are simple people driven by what we know is rightous”! - well, I mustn’t disagree with the ‘simple’ part. Personally I wouldn’t go about trumpeting semi-literacy and pig-ignorance as a virtue but each to their own. I meant to close here but before I do, I think we’d at least agree, apart from the right temperament, that good bite-work (including the release) requires patience and expert training, qualities not found freely scattered about the backwoods. And I’d be the first to agree how today’s show dog has numerous faults, much glossed over actually; simply far too much emphasis on cosmetics or looks and photogenic profile. Too soft (fine for companion animals but that’s not what this dog is about!), too large and overweight, too lacking in good drive, spirit and other instincts. That’s only for starters, and then with a painfully narrow a genetic make-up, one derived in large part from Odin and “Q-litter”. The present working dog, where versatility and fitness for multiple tasks comes into play, is a far better beasty but other than requiring better anatomy, its make-up isn’t exactly broadening either (Bernd, Seffe, Mutz, Frei Gugge and handful of others?). Anyhow, all this must be common knowledge here, and, as said, mostly stems from the obsession with the same VA studs (we all want to sell pups – right?) Pat Relton: Enjoyed your humour, Pat. To please ListenNow and some others maybe we could run a ‘niceness competition’ – who’s the nicest etc? Zahnburg: No need to respond at all – just ignore altogether.

by ListenNow on 07 February 2008 - 15:02

OH BOY!! Here we go again. The cats out of the bag again. If I could only find that rock you crawled out from under, I would permanantly entomb you there and put a headstone that says; "Here lies the GSD's greatest threat, feel free to urinate here".

What is it with you? Nobody likes what you have to say. Nobody cares what you have to say. If you promise to behave, I will make sure than you have free entry to the Tournament and a prime seat with your name reserving it. Deal? What's it take to shut you up? Let's try this............................What are the inherent instinctual drives present in a GSD?

If you fail to answer correctly, you agree to be banished to http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/167754.html

This is a room that I setup for you where you can say all that you want to say for all those who want to hear. Do'nt get too lonely there.

AGAIN,

When you exercise some humility, you may return to this thread and "listen & learn" If you continue, I promise I will Trunk Monkey your ass

by Pat Relton on 07 February 2008 - 15:02

Thank you, Mystere for that information. Do you think speaknow lives in the US? I think speaknow is one of 5 people. I don't think speaknow is smart just ostenatious (see I bought a thesaurus). In fact, speaknow confuses people (misattributes (see I bought a thesaurus) people's threads (correct punctuation here, speaknow) so surely speaknow is the type of person who thought he or she did well on the exam and gets it back only to have received a C+. Then, speaknow would not show his grade to "friends" if speaknow had any.

by AandA on 07 February 2008 - 15:02

"Nobody likes what you have to say. Nobody cares what you have to say" ??

ListenNow, you may well have a beef with SpeakNow & it may well be valid but personally I don't really give a fig either way so I would be grateful if I could be excused from being recruited to either side of the dispute.

Many Thanks,

AandA

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AGAIN,