Thoughts on Limited Registration - Page 15

but if your a breeder (especially a long time breeder); can you honestly say: that every puppy in every litter you have ever bred, was worth exactly

Firstly, I've only bred two litters, both sired by the same dog.  Secondly, I am saying that an entire litter costs the same, regardless of "quality" because I'm not going to charge a show/work person MORE money based on the possibility of a 10 week old puppy.  It's a puppy.

Secondly, quality is completely subjective.  My keeper puppy is not automatically "better" than the other puppies, really.  There could be one that is equally nice, but it doesn't have the traits I need for my program, and that is why it is being sold as a pet or show/work prospect to someone else.

Thirdly, I'd discount puppies that had some sort of DQ fault (like a retained testicle).  And no, I don't discount for something like a coat.  It's a coat...just a fault.  On par with light eyes.  I'm not gonna discount for light eyes, why would I for a coatie?

I wouldn't pay for a VW or a Rolls Royce.  Those cars are ugly. I  am happy with my minivan.

My first litter was $1200.  Parents were both OFA'd and DM tested, father was a champion, mother had titles on the back end.  Second litter was $1600.  Mother finished her championship, had titles on the back end, sire was now a GCH and BOS at Westminster (and is now a Select Excellent from the GSDCA national).

Next litter is probably going to be priced at $1800...mother should have another back end title this year, has progeny working and showing well, and the sire is well titled and produces well himself.

 

Quote: Never bred a litter indeed! I'm not sure you ever owned a dog either.

LOL. Yup, you are right, "old stalwart".....what else can I say, since you've figured it all out ! :)
 

I do enjoy a good discussion about puppy prices…mostly because most people don’t want to admit that their price is based highly on what the market allows them to charge and that their customers basically come to them based on if their price fits into their budget. Some will do research on lines and then pick out a dog based on color and if you fit into their budget, they’ll give you a call. After that as a breeder you can talk their ears off about what you’ve done with your dogs and what it is about them that separates them from the rest of the pack. You can also kind of explain why you’re asking what you’re asking and if that person values those things, or you can convince them that you have added value to the puppies in some way, they’ll probably continue the transaction.

The fact remains that the majority of the customers don’t know much and just take the price as is as long as it fits into their original budget.

I personally don’t like the idea of different prices based on what the puppy looks like, or what kind of drive its showing because it can really upset some people. People get quite upset when you tell them that they’re “not worthy” of the best dog in your litter. I’ve seen the rage sparked in a group of “pet people” who want to believe they’re just as valuable to a breeding program as a person that titles dogs at the club level or even a national level competitor. They love the dog just as much, they’ll take care of it just as much, so why are they not just as good as the working home? People don’t really want to believe that even a smallish breeder that has 1-2 litters a year is a business and that getting their dogs out on bigger stages is very important…especially if they want to start charging more per puppy somewhere down the road.

DenWolf- Excellent responses
As far as my logic on limited goes, you hit the nail right on the head.
Hard as you try to protect your lines and the breed, you are out numbered 10 to one, at least, by scumbums that only care about the money.
The more I see, the more I get disgusted with "GREEDERS"
I yave seen AKC convert ACA papers to AKC for the $$$
Made me lose all desire to use AKC....AT ALL
I also told AKC about a breeder putting false paoers on a dog bought off Craigslist for ,,, , , $100, bred his female, gave the male away.

People get quite upset when you tell them that they’re “not worthy” of the best dog in your litter.

So true.  I had one of my pet people from my first litter ask out of pure curiosity why their puppy wasn't a show/breeding prospect.

I told her very honestly, that if he were in a different breeder's litter, he could be.  He just didn't fit my criteria for what I wanted to perpetuate in my program, and it was not necessary to put him out to be scrutinized by the fancy because he didn't have the traits I needed.  He was not any better or worse than his siblings just because I didn't choose him to be a potential show/work/breeding prospect.

Selection is completely subjective, and breeders can select wrong.

She was pleased with her puppy regardless (and he's become quite the handsome fellow!) and was grateful for an honest answer.

Xeph, I do so wish they all thought like you.
(Not with the Amlines, obviously, ha-ha !), ;-),

but in your sensible, logical and fair approach
to the whole business of producing and
selling the next generation of dogs. May you
always feel that way, even when you have bred
the next two dozen litters. The dog world needs
people like you.
^^Like, like, like ...

 

RightOn, too, Denwulf, for your post a couple of

pages back.  Well argued !  THANK   you.

I have no problem with the temporary limited registration. I think it should be lifted once the dog gets a little older and proves to have good health and working ability and once you know that the owners do not have a 'backyard' breeding situation in mind. I feel there is no reason to do this if you know for sure that the new owner has good intentions as far as working the dog and bettering the breed. I have never bred but I feel like I would hold the right to limit registration on a pup going to less knowledgable people or pups being sold as pets. I think charging more for full registration is unethical.