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by FionaDunne on 05 February 2008 - 13:02

Kyle:

Nobody has said that Mr. Rojas cannot set his own criteria for an event that he is hosting/promoting/paying for.

The only thing that was asked was what criteria, specifically, did he use to determine who is invited and who isn't.

Again, that criteria for selection is still clear as mud. 

If those who have been invited can not/will not attend, then it clearly goes to "second choice".  How is that the best of the best?

Again, I believe Mr. Rojas has already non-answered that question.

 


KYLE

by KYLE on 05 February 2008 - 13:02

"Again, I believe Mr. Rojas has already non-answered that question."

He has no obligation to you and does not have to answer your question.  Deal with the dirty vision.

Why is this even an issue for  you?  You are not invited to participate and you don't have to attend.

"If those who have been invited can not/will not attend, then it clearly goes to "second choice".  How is that the best of the best?"

So if people can't attend they should cancel the event.  I'm sure he had a list of those he would like to attend knowing full well that they all could not for varying reason.  Obviously you are a glass is half full person.  Everyone on the list is very accomplished.  Becase you are not at the top of the list does not mean you are second tier.

Oh, you are so tiresome for beleaguering this non issue. I'm so board of this already.  I hope you don't spend this much time in your everyday life making an issue out of the non important.  This event is so much bigger than the minutia you are detailing.

Kyle

 

 


by FionaDunne on 05 February 2008 - 14:02

Fiona <<<------ pours a glass of Kool Aid and hands it to Kyle.

Whatever you say, Kyle.  Now, be a good boy and drink from the glass.  Half full, of course.

 

 


by Pat Relton on 05 February 2008 - 14:02

Hurray for Kyle!!! He knows how to lay down the law. Since it is super tuesday, I nominate Carlos for President and Kyle for Vice President. Speaknow wants to be the Justice of the Supreme Court and Fionna wants to be Martha Stewart.


by FionaDunne on 05 February 2008 - 15:02

Once again, Pat, your ignorance is only superceded by your arrogance.

At least you're consistent.


by allianz on 05 February 2008 - 19:02

Although some people can't seem to stop using threads on a messageboard to change the subject and fight personal vendettas, I thought I had a valid question related to the subject that didn't seem to get noticed:

What about the FCI-SV judges ?It looks to me they would be risking a serious sanction for judging at a non SV/FCI recognized event ?
I know in the past, some get into big trouble with this kind of stuff....Did anyone get clearance from these organisations to use their judges ??

 


by FionaDunne on 05 February 2008 - 19:02

Forgive me. 

I didn't realize that my (and others') question about the selection criteria was less important than your question of FCI-SV judges, sanctions and clearances.

As far as I'm concerned both are important questions that some, including me would like an answer to.

 


by FionaDunne on 05 February 2008 - 19:02

Going back and re-reading, it is an effort in futility to even ask questions in this thread, much less hope for a reasonable, definitive answer.

Please, by all means, have a wonderful event with whomever decides to show, whether they be first choice, second choice or third choice.

There's no true education about such an event to be gleened from this thread.

 


by Speaknow on 05 February 2008 - 23:02

I’m left bemused by your comment that I want to “be the Justice of the Supreme Court”, Pat; especially since the main thrust of my post was to meant to convey how Carlos’ extravaganza side-steps all official sanction and regulation, sunstituting in lieu price money and privately concocted rules as happen to suit a particular entrepreneur’s self-serving personal momentary political and financial ends. The possibilities here are infinite: imagination, showmanship, sposorship funding and blue sky the limit – with accepted official member clubs regulatatory protective measures mocked, if not rendered asunder in one fell swoop (and of course with outcomes, excepting financial aspects, equally meaningless). And, as solely subject to one indivual’s contrivance, manipulation and profit-motives, questions to do with selection criteria and so forth likewise hint at the nonsensical. We’re speaking showbiz here, good folks! I gather that Carlos means to offer a purse of $ 50.000 next year; heck, I ‘ll triple it, drum up a handful of retired judges at the right price and publicity-seeking showpeople, and launch my own private conformation razzmatazz. After all, only in America … To clarify matters I’ll repeat my earlier entry sole for your gratification, Pat: Indeed congratulation for your initiative, Carlos! A brave new world expediently circumventing the SV and every other schutzhund organisation – yet simultaneously conveniently trading off their backs. An open invitation to every financially endowed Breeder and retired or disenchanted SV judge to also run their own self-promoting shows, and then only as subject to their privately-contrived, self-serving set of rules. Spread about enough cash and the punters will come running! (Dust off those electric collars folk!) Tailor-made for a largely gullible US market, one used to instant satisfaction in all things. If this sport is rife with corruption, self-promotion and hidden agendas now, one breathlessly awaits future developments! I’ll of course be able to bet on my favourites? But why stop at schutzhund? I shiningly envisage well-funded entrepeneurs from Colorado Springs to Oregon City blending this with with their own novel show versions of conformation, agility, sheep-herding and a variety of other enticing competitions – each spiced with own unique blend of showbiz and razzmatazz (dancing GSD’s, or a Celebrity Invitational with Brad Pit and Paris Hilton in attendance say - we’ll temporarily give each a GSD for the big day – is sure to be a winner!); and with petfood companies, schutzhund equipment suppliers and similar, eagerly contributing their loot. What need for member clubs, their silly regulations and codes of ethics … yet, from whence did you derive your GSD authoritative standing, Carlos?

by Pat Relton on 06 February 2008 - 01:02

 speaknow. I will give you this. You have some vocabulary. I spent about an hour looking up some of those fancy words you come up with. you probably went to one of those schools where you wear a jacket and tie like i saw in dead poet society..but even someone as smart as you is not perfect - doug deacon ain't retired and neither is mike west and pierre is in the prime of his life as a judge write? and i read that Mr. Rojas invited some other judge but that didn't work out..i just think this tournament is going to be something to see and this is not a communist country so what is the big deal? it is just people getting together to watch great competitors and great dogs and those helpers are world class too what an event this will be everyone that CHOOSES to be in it or watch it may have a great time even if it starts to rain. BTW...are you some famous guy on tv who goes on at the end of the news and makes comments that most of us don't really understand or are you a professor at Yale that wears a bow tie? I gotta give it to you. You are fancy. Maybe you are a lawyer or a philosphy poet. you shold writ the introductions and bios for the competitors and judges. Word up.






 


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