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by olskoolgsds on 08 March 2010 - 23:03
Way too many variables when you bring up "pit bull attacks" to cover on this site. Way too much hearsay, ignorance, histeria, wives tales, media hype to sift through to even get down to specifics in each individual case. Each case that comes along in itself has too many variables to come to reliable, factual and truthful answers. These threads always get bizarre.
Study the dogs genetics (which in nearly imposible wih most pits) to see the history of aggression towards man (which is a fault in old lines) socializing, and the many enviromental influences that can impact each dogs genetic limitations and abilities.
So we are going to come up with a solid, factual diagnosis of what went wrong here??? Abhay brought up an excellent, but often overlooked point when he said he refused to believe this dog had never shown aggression to a human before. We read many of these crap stories full of empty spaces, listen to what dumbell owner says and take it as the gospel. So now we have added another eliment to this mystery, human dishonesty or at best denial.
Way too many variables for me.
Study the dogs genetics (which in nearly imposible wih most pits) to see the history of aggression towards man (which is a fault in old lines) socializing, and the many enviromental influences that can impact each dogs genetic limitations and abilities.
So we are going to come up with a solid, factual diagnosis of what went wrong here??? Abhay brought up an excellent, but often overlooked point when he said he refused to believe this dog had never shown aggression to a human before. We read many of these crap stories full of empty spaces, listen to what dumbell owner says and take it as the gospel. So now we have added another eliment to this mystery, human dishonesty or at best denial.
Way too many variables for me.
by Jenni78 on 09 March 2010 - 00:03
You're so right. It actually was brought up several times in several different posts (not that I blame you for not reading every single one, lol!) that there is no way in hell there were no signs of this. Anyone who thinks dogs "turn"......................well, like I said before, I have some Kool Aid for them to drink.
by Dodie on 09 March 2010 - 02:03
I did actually look up attacks... here is a post.. Warning this pictures are graphic. I also looked up some other breeds of dog attacks. .. I better not name them.. Would not want to start a frenzie.
http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attacks.htm
http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org/attacks.htm
by VomMarischal on 09 March 2010 - 02:03
BOY that's a scientific site. You might want to get arguable data from a source that actually believes in arguable data.
It's a fact that pit bulls (
It's a fact that pit bulls (
by Dodie on 09 March 2010 - 03:03
There was a ton more. There was just to many to pick from. Are you saying that is a bad source? That is why some things on the interent you can't take to heart. But, since it was mentioned that I should look up dog attacks...well, I did. I even listed other breeds. No to many other's came up.
by VomMarischal on 09 March 2010 - 03:03
I don't know why only part of my post showed up.
The rest of it said that all those hysterical sites show the same attacks over and over. It's all the same, not tons of bite reports. And yes, I'm saying it's NOT a reputable source; it's one that deals in fear and propaganda.
The rest of it said that all those hysterical sites show the same attacks over and over. It's all the same, not tons of bite reports. And yes, I'm saying it's NOT a reputable source; it's one that deals in fear and propaganda.
by Jenni78 on 09 March 2010 - 10:03
Oh, Mylanta. Is there seriously a site called "christianfunfair.org"??? I'd better not even look.
So now Pit Bulls are not only dangerous but sacreligious? Whoohoo! I'm on the fastrack to hell. Here I thought I might still have a wee chance at redemption.
Now that I've confirmed my reservation in hell, I'm feeling a bit poetic.
Something to think about:
Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after, so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late: the jest is over, and the tale has had its effect.” - Jonathan Swift
There is nothing to fear except the persistent refusal to find out the truth, the persistent refusal to analyze the causes of happenings." --Dorothy Thompson, (1894 - 1961)
So now Pit Bulls are not only dangerous but sacreligious? Whoohoo! I'm on the fastrack to hell. Here I thought I might still have a wee chance at redemption.
Now that I've confirmed my reservation in hell, I'm feeling a bit poetic.
Something to think about:
Falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after, so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late: the jest is over, and the tale has had its effect.” - Jonathan Swift
There is nothing to fear except the persistent refusal to find out the truth, the persistent refusal to analyze the causes of happenings." --Dorothy Thompson, (1894 - 1961)
by Jenni78 on 09 March 2010 - 11:03
I was just going to post a link, but then I thought it would be too easy for the ignorant to ignore it, so here it is, excerpted from http://www.fataldogattacks.com. I didn't post every single word on this page, but this is a common book to come up in these searches. Karen Delise wrote it, and it is reputed to be one of the most accurate, if not THE most accurate compilation of fatal attacks available. This is admittedly hearsay; I have not read it, though I will now. I bolded and underlined the points I have already tried to make, but they fell on deaf ears. Perhaps repetition will help, though it's doubtful from what I've seen already. Nonetheless, there are intelligent people on this board who are genuinely interested in facts, and I found this interesting, and maybe others will too. Again, I keep at this not for the ignorant few, but for the masses who lurk and read this and use this site as an authority on dogs. Let's give them SOMETHING to go on, shall we?
"First it was the Bloodhound, sensationalized in the dramatizations of Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Then it was the Doberman Pinscher, symbol of the Nazi menace for a nation at war. Today, it is the Pit bull that is vilified for the depravity of his master.
At perhaps no time in history has mankind been as ignorant of natural canine behavior as we find ourselves at the beginning of the 21st century. The human/dog bond—the most complex and profound inter-species relationship in the history of mankind—has now been reduced to a simple axiom: Breed of dog = degree of dangerousness.
Today, police chase down fleeing Pit bulls in the street, firing dozens of wild shots in response to media-fed rumors of supernatural Pit bull abilities. Politicians coach and nurture this fear with their own brand of rhetoric used to assist in the passing of quick and ineffective legislation created to pacify communities ignorant of the real cause for dog attacks.
In a society unparalleled in its access to information and ability to control our natural environment, we now claim that we are unable to master our dogs. Unwilling to assume responsibility for the control and care of our canine companions, we instead hang entire breeds of dogs in effigy for the sins of their owners. Society now accepts this “solution to the dog bite problem” because we have been placated by a Pit Bull Placebo.
Like the pharmacologically inactive sugar pill dispensed to pacify a patient who supposes it to be medicine, eradication of the Pit bull is heralded as the cure for severe dog attacks. However, a placebo is administered solely to appease a person's mental duress. In the present day climate of fear and misinformation about Pit bulls and dog attacks, eradication of the Pit bull is the placebo administered to ease the public's mental anxiety. This, of course, does not address the underlying causes of why dogs attack and how they have been allowed access to their victims.
The book, The Pit Bull Placebo: The Media, Myths and Politics of Canine Aggression, explores and reveals how our views and beliefs about canine aggression have changed over the last 150 years and how our perceptions about the nature and behavior of dogs has been influenced and shaped by persons and organizations who often times disseminate information about dog attacks which is tailored to further an agenda unrelated to the improvement of the human/dog bond.
We have come to be in the midst of a social hysteria about Pit bulls because we have abandoned centuries-old common sense and r
"First it was the Bloodhound, sensationalized in the dramatizations of Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Then it was the Doberman Pinscher, symbol of the Nazi menace for a nation at war. Today, it is the Pit bull that is vilified for the depravity of his master.
At perhaps no time in history has mankind been as ignorant of natural canine behavior as we find ourselves at the beginning of the 21st century. The human/dog bond—the most complex and profound inter-species relationship in the history of mankind—has now been reduced to a simple axiom: Breed of dog = degree of dangerousness.
Today, police chase down fleeing Pit bulls in the street, firing dozens of wild shots in response to media-fed rumors of supernatural Pit bull abilities. Politicians coach and nurture this fear with their own brand of rhetoric used to assist in the passing of quick and ineffective legislation created to pacify communities ignorant of the real cause for dog attacks.
In a society unparalleled in its access to information and ability to control our natural environment, we now claim that we are unable to master our dogs. Unwilling to assume responsibility for the control and care of our canine companions, we instead hang entire breeds of dogs in effigy for the sins of their owners. Society now accepts this “solution to the dog bite problem” because we have been placated by a Pit Bull Placebo.
Like the pharmacologically inactive sugar pill dispensed to pacify a patient who supposes it to be medicine, eradication of the Pit bull is heralded as the cure for severe dog attacks. However, a placebo is administered solely to appease a person's mental duress. In the present day climate of fear and misinformation about Pit bulls and dog attacks, eradication of the Pit bull is the placebo administered to ease the public's mental anxiety. This, of course, does not address the underlying causes of why dogs attack and how they have been allowed access to their victims.
The book, The Pit Bull Placebo: The Media, Myths and Politics of Canine Aggression, explores and reveals how our views and beliefs about canine aggression have changed over the last 150 years and how our perceptions about the nature and behavior of dogs has been influenced and shaped by persons and organizations who often times disseminate information about dog attacks which is tailored to further an agenda unrelated to the improvement of the human/dog bond.
We have come to be in the midst of a social hysteria about Pit bulls because we have abandoned centuries-old common sense and r
by Jenni78 on 09 March 2010 - 11:03
continued:
... reasoning and have been duped by inaccurate reporting from a media that thrives on sensationalism and by politicians who traffic in rumors, myths and pseudoscience in their efforts to pass legislation that demonizes dogs while exonerating criminal and abusive owners.
Despite the intense media, political and public interest in dog attacks, there is a disturbing scarcity of accurate information and investigation done on the real causes and reasons for these incidents.
If we truly believe that the extremely rare cases of fatal dog attacks merit extreme measures in the management of dogs—if our concern and shock is genuine—then we must be equally genuine and sincere in seeking out and addressing the real causes for these incidents.
The Pit Bull Placebo examines actual cases of severe dog attacks during the last 150 years—the circumstances, the individual dogs involved, the victims, and our interpretations of these events—in an attempt to offer a reasoned and balanced perspective on the behavior of dogs and the critical role humans play in the management and treatment of our canine companions.
Only by stepping back from the swirl of present-day hysteria surrounding isolated cases of severe canine aggression and examining the problem from a broader and more objective perspective can we hope to understand and effectively address the human and canine behaviors which have contributed to these incidents."
Excerpted from the book: The Pit Bull Placebo: The Myths, Media and Politics of Canine Aggression, and is copy written by Karen Delise and Anubis Publishing.
... reasoning and have been duped by inaccurate reporting from a media that thrives on sensationalism and by politicians who traffic in rumors, myths and pseudoscience in their efforts to pass legislation that demonizes dogs while exonerating criminal and abusive owners.
Despite the intense media, political and public interest in dog attacks, there is a disturbing scarcity of accurate information and investigation done on the real causes and reasons for these incidents.
If we truly believe that the extremely rare cases of fatal dog attacks merit extreme measures in the management of dogs—if our concern and shock is genuine—then we must be equally genuine and sincere in seeking out and addressing the real causes for these incidents.
The Pit Bull Placebo examines actual cases of severe dog attacks during the last 150 years—the circumstances, the individual dogs involved, the victims, and our interpretations of these events—in an attempt to offer a reasoned and balanced perspective on the behavior of dogs and the critical role humans play in the management and treatment of our canine companions.
Only by stepping back from the swirl of present-day hysteria surrounding isolated cases of severe canine aggression and examining the problem from a broader and more objective perspective can we hope to understand and effectively address the human and canine behaviors which have contributed to these incidents."
Excerpted from the book: The Pit Bull Placebo: The Myths, Media and Politics of Canine Aggression, and is copy written by Karen Delise and Anubis Publishing.
by Jenni78 on 09 March 2010 - 11:03
nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dog-bites/
nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dog-bites/dog-bite-studies/
nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/winkler_study2.pdf
Dodie, this one is just for you. It's an old study- from the 70's. Look at the dogs involved. Since there was no INTERNET to perpetuate hysteria, I'll bet you didn't hear about these. But they happened.
nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dog-bites/dog-bite-studies/wrong-numbers-not-stats/
I'm feeling generous; Dodie, this one is for you, too. Pay close attention to WHY THE STATS ARE SKEWED and why you say you "only hear about Pit Bulls."
nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dog-bites/dog-bite-studies/
nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/winkler_study2.pdf
Dodie, this one is just for you. It's an old study- from the 70's. Look at the dogs involved. Since there was no INTERNET to perpetuate hysteria, I'll bet you didn't hear about these. But they happened.
nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dog-bites/dog-bite-studies/wrong-numbers-not-stats/
I'm feeling generous; Dodie, this one is for you, too. Pay close attention to WHY THE STATS ARE SKEWED and why you say you "only hear about Pit Bulls."
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