OT Another Pit Bull Attack! - Page 1

Last night a 11 year old boy was attached and killed by the family Pit Bull in Killeen, Tx. The dog was on the couch and the 2 brothers ran by playing. The dog jumped off the couch and bit the older boy in the neck. He died 2 hours later at the Hospital. His father is serving in Iraq. This is terrible for any one to have to go through. I just can't imagine. Thoughts and prayers to the family.

That is horrible   I have a germans shepherd on the base , army,,,with a trainer there....I will email her for details   that is horrible , again..... I got into a conversation last week with someone about their precious nice gentle  pit bull dog and all I told her,,,ws I dont care how nice the dog is at this moment    something in their head cllicks  and they go beserk....end of strory      I dont need any more proof,,,,,,it has happened over and over again....the nice gentle , plays with children and we socialize it, and the whole  uneducated story......

I warned her...her son is two and the dog just had puppies with a neighborhood   traveling salesman and she ask my opiinion   and she got it....

I have met some nice Pits, But I wouldn't trust most with small children or smaller pets. But it just goes to show this was a supervised dog with children and in the bat of an eye the boy is gone. It is terrible. I really feel for the boys father stationed in Irag and hearing about this.  

To be fair,

Would Any here, trust their Working Shepherds, Malinois, Rottweilers etc trained in bitework,  & trust  unsupervised with their young ones?

Where is owner responsibility. Dont blame the breed, blame the owners. This is foolishness.

I agree with UglyDog 100% ...  although a terrible incident and I'm sadened by it.. the blame is on the dog owner.

I will suggest to all the Malinois breeders out there right now .... watch who you sell your puppies to in the USA ....

....there are too many people buying these breeds and haven't a clue. Clicker and treats don't work for some breeds. It's only time before the Mal in the USA has the same rep.  Nothing snapped in that dogs head, it was lack of pack order and training.. Period.  Just my opinion.

How's this for a dog attack, lets not just target pit bulls.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-dog_bite_bothnov06,0,657910.story

I wasn't surprised one little bit by the breed, they can be foul sometimes.

Good post, I missed that story in the Chicago Trib.  Sickening.

But the Sensationalized "PIT BULL" gets all the press.  Macho dog popular with the Hood rats.  Used to be the Shepherd, then Doberman, Rottweiler, Presa  all villified.    Breed bans in England and Europe are becoming more common. Look for it here.

Responsible Pet Ownership is an Oxymoron.

I almost fell for its the breeder not the dog once. A lady in south Florida who bred pits would tell me how great they were. How the media has made them into these horrible monsters. I liked the lady and her dogs seemed to be nice dogs. One day she told me she was going to give me a puppy, I cut her grass for free, so I guessed it was ok to take, well I knocked on her door, and got no answer. I looked in through her window and saw her dead body. Dogs had a field day. I dont listen anymore to anyone that talks about pit bulls as being family pets or even decent dogs. They should be outlawed, like they were after this ladys death in Dade county

I guess its true, you cant fix stupid.   Liberal andy, take heed.

It IS the "breed" (PBT not being a breed, but a type).  There IS genetics involved.

And I would venture a guess that the worst type is PBTs (not knowing enough about the rare-in-US dogs like Presas and so on)  - GS can be overaggressive, same with Dobes, etc.  But PBTs - TRUE PBTs (not just some mutt that some idiot IDed as a PBT because it "must be" - are bred for fighting ONLY and are bred to be extremely tenacious (as all terriers).  The biggest problem with PBTs is not that the "bite", but that they keep at it.  They tend to "lock on" and FOCUS (see that word again that I think is over-rated) on that target they just bit and keep going for it, mauling instead of just biting.

So, I too don't buy the "it's all about responsible ownership" - which pooh-poohs the importance of BREEDING, ironically, which here is talked about as if it is so important.  It's ALWAYS genetics AND environment, starting at 50/50.

All that said, I don't want breed bans, period (not by law, anyway).  We all know our GS will be part of it and are.  But even that isn't what bothers me about them.  It bothers me because a) so many dogs are MUTTS that are IDed by idiots who don't really know as "PBTs" or whatever breed, or being a "mix of"; b) a dog is an autonomous being who, for all the best breeding AND raising/training in the world, is still his own MOBILE entity in control of himself.  Ultimately, for b), the owner never knows and cannot possibly perfectly ever control the dog.

I never walk a dog out in "public" without a real 6' lead, period - I may truly trust my dog, but you never ever know - she may "snap" with a brain tumor, she may be unfairly wantonly attacked by some animal, etc.  Even with my lead on, things won't be perfect, but I can better control the situation.

Basically, I am against breed banning, but I definitely have different opinions of different breeds/types based on their typical characters.  Who would deny Golden Retrievers tend to be dopey, lovey-dovey oafs as opposed to "vicious"?  If you can't see there are differences beyond just looks, you have your head in the sand.