OT Another Pit Bull Attack! - Page 5

"  Many of todays dogs are registered with the AKC as Staffs and the UKC and ADBA as Pits. "

That's how my Nemos is Registered.

The Great Al Brown's Tacoma Jack was registered with the ADBA, UKC, as a Pit and the AKC as a Staff. He is of course the foundation dog for the well known AKC Staff bloodline of Tacoma dogs.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=36096

Out of curiosity, how many of who are so strongly opinionated for or against pit bulls have actually trained them?  I cannot even count how many I have personally worked with for in house training, or observed closely in my classes/private lessons. How many of you have seen a truly dangerous pit in action? How many of you have trainined one to control its impulses? How many of you have of you have had the pleasure of working with one gentler than any golden, lab, or dare I say, family GSD?  Very, very few, I would hazard to guess.  I think its funny how many people have an opinion based on little more than what the media feeds them. I just got done working with a shih tzu/poodle cross that had been on rabies watch for attacking someone. My worst scar from a dog bite is from a chocolate lab. Is a carelessly bred, badly raised pit bull dangerous? Yes. So is any other breed.  Some of you need to step out of the GSD training club for five minutes, educate yourselves and get a dose of reality.

I think this should go into this thread.  Under a new Virginia law dog owners can be held criminally liable if their dog attacks someone.

www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2007/102007/10312007/329487

This woman only got three years for manslaughter when her pit bulls mauled an 86 year old woman to death in her own yard, it should have been a lot more.  Of course, then there is the multi=million dollar wrongful death suit that she will have to face.  Her life is pretty much down the tubes.  Not to mention the familiy that lost their mother and grandmother.  But she did have the right to own those pits didn't she?  Pure Stupidity.

Proud SHep...Pits Bulls running loose.  Out of control and a negligent owner. Not a good recipe and my entire argument.

Id ventrure few here have ever worked a pit or seen one in a family setting.

You can ask ANY VET Tech,  who regularly work with all breeds,  which breed they prefer to work with the most, to give shots, sutures etc and the answer will be PITS.     Rotts, Chows, Poodles all take their Bites, yet Pits seldom if ever do..

Like the rest of the ignorant populace,. most here are swept up in chicken little media hysteria and disregard the obvious.

Maybe a few years as Big Bubba's "special friend" might teach these people to take responsibility.  How about pit owners in general policing themselves? 

1. Stop breeding for (and bragging about) your dogs'  "gameness"  which is just another term for tenacity.  In other words, when they attack they do not give up until their adversay is dead.

2. Do not breed unless you know your pups are going to responsible and knowledgable homes.  That does not mean the local crack dealer or dog fighter. 

3.  Neuter or PTS ANY dog that shows aggression towards anything, people or other dogs.

Pit owners created this situation, how about you try to fix it instead of whining about people picking on your poor misunderstood dogs?

To the GSD people who say that pit owners should have the right to keep these animals..... Are you going to feel the same when they ban GSDs along with the pits?  You know the politicians are not going to differentiate.

Proud Shepherd Poppa, I really have to wonder where your deep hatred for the APBT comes from?  Lumping the owners of APBT's all together is totally absurd.

You describe gameness :: "In other words, when they attack they do not give up until their adversay is dead."

You have no idea of what the term gameness means. Any living thing can be tenacious when it is dominate or winning.  Be it Man, Horse, or Dog, Gameness can only be proven under adversity.  When an animal is behind, down and out, badly injured, in great pain, at the point of death, only then does gameness come into play.  I've known deep game dogs that under no circumstances could one force to bite a human child or adult. I have also known deep game dogs that would play with other friendly dogs as well.  Gameness has nothing to do with Aggressiveness.

I guarantee you, that the cur involved in the 11 yr old child's death, doesn't have a game bone in its body. This cur is just part of the disease that has befallen a once great breed.  The overbreeding of curs, and the ignorance of millions of owners, whose only mentor is the last crazy idea the media has printed, is a recipe for the future banning of the entire breed. Its only a matter of time.  Don't fret Proud Shepherd Poppa, it won't be long before your wish comes true.

You misunderstand, probably deliberately.  I do NOT blame the dogs.  They are what they were bred to be, they did not ask for that.  What I have a problem with is those who are in complete denial about the reality.  These dogs are responsible for roughly 1/3 of fatal dog attacks.  What is hard to understand about that.?  I lay the blame at the feet of the breeders who deliberately bred their dogs for aggression.  As I said, you can police yourselves or the government will do it for you.

I could also not care less about what type of dogs you own, except as it effects me.  When your dogs are banned so will be other so-called "dangerous breeds," including GSDs.  Clean up your act, and your breeding program, and it might not be too late to prevent that.

PSP, before you can understand the problem, you would need to be knowledgable about the breed. You have stated and shown that you have no interest in that.  You much prefer to cast blame in every direction, and now even blame the APBT for any future problems your breed of choice may encounter.

If you want to cast blame, then cast it towards the media.  37 years ago I could walk my APBT down any street in the State Capital city where I lived. Hardly anyone even knew what kind of a dog I had on the leash. a biting incident involving an APBT was unheard of anywhere. At that time the APBT breed had been around well over a century.

Once the media found out a little about the breed, and the registries began holding bench shows, weight pulls etc., the Monster was created. Now this monster is out of control and will never be contained.  The oldtime owners and breeders of the APBT always had their act together and Clean.  Its the media, BYB's and people such as yourself with a deep hatred for the breed that has created this Nightmare.