Why?! - Page 3

Did anyoneeeee read my reply on this post???  If not, please do before any more remarks are made, lol.  I copied and pasted exactly what the breeder of this ad said!  They are not cross breeding!  Another person does their website and made a biggg boo boo!  When I emailed this person about the ad to see if it was true, they emailed me right back immediatly and said nooooo.  They inturn called the person who does the site and then emailed me back and said it was corrected.  I haven't been back on the site to see, but I will take her word for it.  I guess I better go check it out now, hu? 

Yes, it was corrected!  She is not being bred with a GSD!

   I currently know a breeder who is going to be doing alot of malinois shepherd crosses he has done it with great sucess sometimes he has to hold onto the a little longer but he puts the training into them then sells them. why not you get the best of both worlds if you do the right research

It's ok Medonte. There are alot of sharks swimming in this pool. Sorry you received negative emails from some in this group. Have fun with your dogs!

Cate,

I have brought up the fact that cross breeding does occure more than anyone would like to admit. I just had a talk with someone recently who is very knowlegable of the breed and has traveled to europe many, many times. He told me the Antverpa lines had alot of Mal in them in the beginning. Looking at the dogs I would have to believe this is true.

If anyone thinks they have a dog from Belgian or Dutch lines that does not have Mal in it somewhere in the first 7-10 generations is living in la, la land.

olskools brings up a good point anoput breeding practices. No one culls anymore. Why would you cull when you would lose $1000 a pup? But think about it if you cross bred then culled the ones that displayed to much Malinios genotype, then bred back to "full" GSD's for several generations, for all intents and purposes don't you still have a GSD? That is what the Belgians and Dutch do with there Mals.

I say if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and walk like a duck................

It's a duck

Medonte,

I personally would like to appoligize for using the word moron.  Yet first impressions are everything, and yes I agree some of us have to much time on our hands.  Its cold and raining here, thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

I have seen some really bad websites and yeah I jumped right in.  I hope you forgive me.

Brent.

Shepherd Woman,
Yes, I have read the remarks you posted.  The point is however this topic needs to be discussed. This is an interresting, challenging topic that wil cause those of us to think about what are objectives really are or what our prioritys are. I personally posted because of the subject matter, the breeder being misunderstood had nothing to do with it. In other words it had grown into something bigger, something worth discussing. Thanks

I do respect that this is an issue that needs to be discussed. Today I was at a breeder convention and this very topic camp up, it got very heated (picture a room full of women some are ckc breeders and some are "designer breeders". Anyway I thank those of you that apologized I stand with you, and that is why I got extremly upset when I was accused of this.

The gsd breed had its origins in cross's,  but would introducing another breed improve anything today?   

How would it even be possible with todays standards and rules.

Two Moons" How would it be possible with todays standards and rules".  Hopefully the standards and rules will keep every byb from taking on such a venture, however standards and rules will not stop it from happening such as in the case of the Shiloh Shepherds.  This IMO is not a good example of starting a new breed but does say that it can happen.

IMO one of three things do need to happen though, either those dead serious about the breed ( gsds) maintain the highest standards and make a sincere effort to go back to the practices of yesterday, culling and being willing to accept only the best, ( which must overtake the nature of man to take short cuts and justify less then the best). 
  2. Cross breed to dogs whoes genetic makeup is solid, uncomprimising until you get it right,

 or 3. breed ugly dogs like the Mal ( sorry GARD if your reading this )  This is not a slam on the Mals, they are a thing to behold when working, but no one buys one because of their beauty.  This is always the cause of a dogs decline. Some form of outward beauty which leads to popularity.  Look at every great working dog of the past that had some type of beauty that attracted people to it. Boxers, Collies, Dobermans, Rotts, and gsds. Only the Mals do not fit into this type of dog. 

At the risk of sounding like a pesimist it just doesn't look like things will get better, that's why we will see more cross breeding with dogs that can add to the big picture.  There are too many people and systems that must have dogs that work and work well without a lot of excuses for this topic to be shuned.