Why?! - Page 2

If I was ever to get a Mal it would be from Ivan Balabanov.  But since I love my GSD's I'll stick with them.  

All I hear is preserving the gsd, protecting the gsd, improving the gsd.

I can see cross's but they would have to be just that.   Not a Malinois, or a German Shepherd

A cross might make an interesting animal.  But to what end?

There are several Mali German Shepherd crosses in police sevice in europe.They are reffered to as "Shmalis".

Kyle

For a better laugh, go to the puppy questionaire on the site. The spelling errors are too numerous to list but, quite funny. OH please can I use Prince as a stud!

LMFAO

Why would someone breed a malinios to a shepherd? Good question. Here is what I see could be the benifits.....

What the Malinios could add to a GSD

1. drive

2. speed and agility

3 Environmental stability (dpending on the lines)

3. trainability (I have trained both and the Mals are much easier)

4. over all working ability

5. Overall stucture and health improvement (one near and dear to me right now)

What the GSD could bring to a Mal

1.) Size and Bone (if that is desired)

2) Grip

3) stability or "clear in the head"

In Holland ( who produce more police and military dogs than anywhere in the world) they cross breed all kinds of different breeds but always breed back to the Mal.

1992 Belgian Ring champion was a 1/2 GSD 1/2 Mal

Hard core working people seem to be the only ones who can see the benifits in cross breeding. They are looking only to produce structurally sound, ultimate working animals.

Truth is that a cross would probably be a healthier, better working dog than one or the other alone.  First generation anyway.  Where it would go from there would not be in my knowledge base.  The mal is too small IMO for the work.  A shepherd is generally too genetically unhealthy.  Raiser is right but in the GSD community, it is blasphemy.

If I wanted a good sled dog, I might cross something with a Siberian Husky.  If I wanted a strickly working dog for police or military, I would probably cross a GSD with a Mal.  I find it interesting that no one really is crossing a Doby with a Mal or GSD.  It would be an ugly dog but when strickly concerned about working ability, who would care.  I would think that the Dobe is first for working ability, although I have no experience with a Mal..  Cold weather would be a problem for a Dobe though.

Many say that the current Dobermann strains available have been inbred and BYB'ed so much that they have "lost it", when it comes to temperment and ability.  That was not my experience "back when".  They where the best.

Rottweilers may be in the same boat as Dobe's.  This is apparently (if not already) going to happen to the GSD and the Mal's, unless "they" heed Raisers' call.

I am not in favor of cross breeding the GSD into oblivion.  Just stating that for working ability and health reasons, it would not be stupid to cross them for specific jobs.

Great Dames used to be Hell Hounds, but are rarely used these days except for pet or show.  Not sure why.  Maybe the large piles of poop.  

wow, clearly you people do have too much time on your hands!

I have never had any intesions of breeding Prince to Shelby, Shelby is a year and a half (she was six months old when she got her HIC if you read it properly) After Shelby gets her hips and elbows x-rayed she will be bred to another CKC Malinois. I am surprised that so many of you would jump to conclusions. I am not very computer Savy and asked my friend who knows nothing about dogs but is very good with computers to do the site for me and she agreed, she is a 16 year old high school student and it was for a school project. I think she did very well considering. So what if her spelling isn't perfect she tried. Clearly I will be going over the site with her tomorrow. Luckily for me there was a nice lady that noticed inquired. Unlike the several immature emails that I got today.

I DO NOT AGREE WITH CROSS BREEDING all of my dogs are registered with the CKC or AKC.

GARD - good post - I was actually going to bring up Holland...and I also think there are some kennels in Germany who breed GSDs have brought some mal or dutchie blood into their programs and kinda swept it under the table...though I am basing this off of second hand information.

I think there is a fair amount of crossing going on for the people doing work work - I know of a breeder who will cross shepherds, mals, and dutchies - though he is producing dogs solely for the purpose of police work.  I know that the mal-dutchie cross is fairly common in Holland as well.

I can definetley see the benefits to doing it.  Hec - if you really look at it, the dutchies and the mals arent built that different from what the GSDs used to look like when the Captain was still around.

~Cate

GARD, 
Thanks for sharing my thoughts. I knew it would not be P.C. in the dog world to suggest a cross breeding.
If the kennel has integrity of breeding practices, ie. willing to cull, willing to spend lots of time, money and heartache into something that may not come out as they hope, but are still interrested in trying to produce a dog that has good health, good hips, good drive, courage, brains, hardness, and gameness, then why not ?  

I know nothing of this breeder. If this is a byb that thinks a breeding or two is going to put them on the map then it will fail as all of these attempts do. But if you have a Max von Stephanitz that is determined to bring some vitality back into a breed and strive to produce something that turns out a higher % of working dogs then why not ?

It all goes back to the intentions of the breeder and the depth of their pocket and time. This is a task that I would take my hat off to someone that is willing to put their life on hold for a long time.