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Pardon my novice question. What is a full bite and what does it mean when the dog has a calm bite and not overly aggressive? In IPO what will be the preferred bite in Protection?

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
SE

the answer to each of your questions would be preydrive, full and calm, no agression and is desired in sport/points

A full bite means the dog takes the sleeve/pillow/whatever completely into its mouth, rather than just grabbing it with the front teeth..The bite is calm, meaning the dog is not constantly regripping, chewing, or shaking its head.

Full grip is a full bite all the way to the back of molars, crushing and active in pulling back when dog has bite.  Thrashing is undesirable because you will compromise grips.  

What the helper does has everything to do with the quality of the dog's grips.
It's about technique.  Where is the power in the bite?  Molars or front fangs?  
Fear biters, how do they bite?  

Helper teaches dog to strike.  Deep.  And immediate back pressure to set grips.  Crush.  

 

killing and dissection is also a part of prey drive, and not many dogs do that or even could if you threw a dead cow in front of them.  Thrashing was looked down upon by the herding world too, remember this breeds roots? Grab and hold, not grab and thrash.  A dog that killed the sheep wasn't really good for the herder now was it?  Plenty of great dogs go in, bite, hard, full and completely committed.

my point was "real world" had applications that didn't require shaking.  "real world" includes eye, stalk, chase, grab, kill, dissect.  Most dogs are bred with truncated prey drive so it is useable to people, dogs that shake included.  Very few dogs have a full prey sequence left intact.  Thrashing isn't "so looked down upon" by sport people.  it's looked down upon by real world people too.  It's less than ideal.  I know many great dogs that thrash, I know many great dogs that have every bit of intensity those thrashers do, yet they don't.  Agression isn't looked down upon in the sport world.  It isn't always fully developed because it isn't always needed for some people.  Maybe it's their dog?  Maybe it's the handler?  Maybe it's the circumstance?  Maybe its a group with one very inexperienced helper?  I can tell you every person, other than some ring sports, very much valued aggression and worked it.   Sometimes I wonder who everyone else trains with????? 

i will e-smack the first person who brings up non-classical prey drive.

oh and drop all the herding references, sheep and all.....pfft, 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of all gsd will either run away from sheep or run aimlessly at, around or  through them.  

i thought the consensus of a dog that pulls is scared of the decoy??

wtf are you talking about?  Pulling isn't a sign of being scared.  Why are people so freaking persistent to find that one trait, that ONE thing that means EVERYTHING???? They're dogs, they are complicated.  There are many traits that can make a dog "good" or "bad" and any combination thereof.  A good dog can pull, a good dog can push, a good dog can push and pull.  Some dogs go for legs, some for the neck, some underside, some top side.  Some is genetic, some are trained.  Some dogs just steer animals and let others take them down.  Some don't have an inborn trait to do anything.  A good dog can thrash, he might not thrash.  A poor dog can have a "calm" grip.  Learn to see a dog for what it is and quit learning all you know about dogs from stupid interent discussions and bringing them to another board.  Chris smith get to you?