Prong vs. Choke study - Page 1

Can anyone give me any info or links on the original study that is so often cited?

For example:

"A Study on Prong Collars was done in Germany:

* 100 dogs were in the study. 50 used choke and 50 used prong.
* The dogs were studied for their entire lives. As dogs died, autopsies were performed.
* Of the 50 which had chokes, 48 had injuries to the neck, trachea, or back. 2 of those were determined to be genetic. The other 46 were caused by trauma.
* Of the 50 which had prongs, 2 had injuries in the neck area, 1 was determined to be genetic. 1 was caused by trauma.

The numbers seem to speak for themselves.
(Information about above study taken from an Anne Marie Silverton Seminar)"

http://cobankopegi.com/prong.html

I think that study is total bull, ive hear it before but nobody can ever cite it, so good luck

I'd LOVE to see it as well.  Despite a good deal of searching I've never been able to find it or any solid links to it.  Thousands and thousands of dog were successfully trained, not abused, for decades with coke chains.  Training has come a long way in recent years, we have better and easier ways to do things but sometimes it pays to remember where you came from.  It always seems to come to the same point: any tool can be used (well) or abused.

Seems to me, with my admittedly limited experience, that either type if collar can be injurious if used improperly, but the same can be said of a strap collar, too.

I've never used a prong collar for training, so my experience is limited to choke collars.  Just the same, I wouldn't be averse to trying a prong collar, if it seemed that its use would be more effective in training the dog. 

Crys

Choke chains are safer because they dont come off and with some dogs they are better because they are less harsh

I'm not really interested in debating prong vs. choke (yes, I know it's an old topic which probably gets rehashed every few weeks), I'm really just looking for any information on the actual study so often cited yet never seen by anyone I know.

FWIW I don't personally use choke collars for anything other than securely moving a dog from point A to point B (ie, out of the car, into the vet's office, etc), using a Fursaver on a dead ring for show, or attaching my lead to a slip collar for backup when I am using a prong in training.  But I'm not going to defend prong collars (which I do and have used) based on something that is totally made up.

I read about this a few years ago.The only bit of info I can add or change was that the study was done in England as I remember.
Paul