Is this a linebreeding, inbreeding or both?? - Page 1

Our friend is planning to get a female puppy that is related to the male he owns. However the female pup he plans to get, is out of the same mother as his male, but bred to the his male's father's full brother. His intentions are to breed this female pup to his male.   My question is, this considered linebreeding or inbreeding? Kinda risky breeding for such a novice breeder in MY opinion.

Hm... What a puzzle.

Okay, let's put things in human perspective and see where we go:

The stupid jackass (allegedly "human") has a GSD male. So far so good.

He wants to get a female "who is of the same mother" as above mentioned male.

That makes him... his sister? If the father was different, then half sister.

His sister/halfsister was bred to abovementioned male "father's full brother".

So, his sister/halfsister was mated to her uncle, therefore male's brother.

Did I get this right?

What kennel is that? "Redneck Cock bar shaft" or "Mormon Hole in wiese"?

Here is a sample pedigree. A is the male that he already owns. C is his sire, B is his mother. D is the puppy. E is her sire ( full brother to C ) B is her mother which is also A's mother.

      C   ( full brother to E )
A 
      B    ( same mother as D )



    E   ( full brother to C )
D
    B   ( same mother as A )


Hope this is a clearer example.

That is inbreeding, or incest, in my opinion. I am just a guy taking crap on the internet, and he/she will do what they want to do regardless of what somebody says on that damn interweb. No good can come out of that stuff.

Inbreeding. The thing is confusing, but I am reading that the bitch he wants to breed is a half-sister to the male and they then have a common grand-sire on the father-line, too. Correct? Then, there is lin-breeding 3-3 on the fatherline (?) and an incest breeding on the mother-line. (?) You don't mention whether the male and bitch are otherwise line-brewd and how heavily. Theoretically, there could be all kinds of massing on one or two dogs multiple times ,all in the first 4 generations. You "could" get something great...or, purple panda gsds with extra limbs. :-)

I gave the only information I know. I really didn't ask much about the dog's pedigree once he stated what his intentions were. As I said before, I wouldn't even consider doing that breeding. I only advised him that I wouldn't do it, but that was ONLY MY opinion. As Adi Ibrahimbeqovic stated, they will do what they want anyway. BTW Mystere, I won't get good or bad from that, its truthfully not me doing that breeding. I'm just not that brave or stupid to try that. LOL! 

You're right: your friend will do whatever he/she wants to do. Please do report back with the pedigree and outcome, if you have the chance. :-)

Linebreeding and inbreeding is breeding with relatives closer reated as the avarage relationships within the population.
Incestbreeding: is breeding between parents/childeren; brothers/sisters; halfbrothers/half sisters.

This is forbidden in Germany and according the specific breedregulations for GSD in the Netherlands.
Closer breeding as 3:2  is not permitted.

Problem with the breeding according top-lines Hauptzuchtschau is that the responisble judges permitted to have familybreeding on the same lines over and over. That resulted in problems. For instance no progress in Hipresults. A lot of highly inbred animals had high Breedvalues for hips (Quando Arminius, Ulk Arlett, Rikkor Bad Boll etc etc.) In fact all dogs over 100 Breedvalue and  even over 90 have warnings and specially if these dogs have results as noch zugelassen and even near normal. The top-specimen of in(line)breeding were heavenly inbred upon again.and again and again No wonder HD-results didn't improve. Also a lot of exaggaration was done (Ubertypisierung) and not going for the correct dog.
We wish Mr.  Meyer a lot of success with opening the bloodlines and to combat the Ubertypisierung.  In the '30 Von Stephanitz came with a completely new Sieger KLODO V. BOXBERG.  We need such a choice again!  To your question : this litter will be incestbreeding indeed!

i was thinking of getting a puppy from a very reputable breeder from the Czech Rep. but after i looked at the pedigree i  saw that the Sire's father is also Dam's grandfather. i thought that was kinda weird so i pulled the plug.

Redleg, might have been weird but nothing wrong with it if the breeder was trying to set type on the 3-2 linebred dog.JMO