RSV 2000 Admissible for breeding - Page 1

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Aqua: quotes from RSV 2000
Para.6 Admissible for Breeding:
(8) Minimum age for dogs is 13 months and for bitches,15 months.

COMMENTS PLEASE

I find it not correct to mate a bitch with 15 months the are still to young and even as we breed following the rules of the SV first schh and korung the dogs are at least 2 years old i think this is correct age.
I find it not only with the GSD but with all breeds to young.

Yvonne

I personally would not use animals, males or females, under two years of age for breeding.  However, even though David Payne has highlighted the young age permissable the dog would still have to first satisfy other critieria before being mated.  Any sensible breeder would wait until the dog is at least two years of age before a mating so that they can be in the best position to appreciate exactly what they are dealing with.   However, we have to accept that some matings will take place.

Mackenzie

i see nothing wrong with giving a young dog of say 14/15months a proving stud but would never mate a bitch under 22months of age, mating of a bitch at 15 months is wrong its just to young if that is their rules then i think they need a rethink
Hi Mackenzie so if the bitch has satisfied the criteria then in theory she could in fact be mated at 15 months i agree with you in that the sensible breeder would wait untill at least 22months but this rule gives all breeders the go ahead at 15months that should be changed (imo)
jim h

When I read this i thought strange?
I went to the RSV2000 site and started to read.
I think i found the BIG difference between SV and RSV2000: It is called "Talentsichtung" They want to see progency after the age of one year.
Has a stud a progency of for example 100 children at least 50% of that progency has to be healthy and of good character before the father can get more matings aproved by RSV2000.
A little Old school DDR style.
But I think it is a good system
For example within the SV Yasko Farbenspiel had a progency of 1075 children, nobody wanted to see anything within the SV rules.
If there are serious problems (health, character) in a quantity producer like this, a small bomb is ticking in the bloodlines.

Hello JimH

You are correct in your assumption.  For me both and female and male are too raw at this age.  The mating of dogs at this age was common about 30 years ago with the result that by the age of two and a half most dogs were gone.   We have to put young dogs into perspective in that whilst they are physically able to produce, we, as breeders must look further into the future.  We must be sure of what we are getting and the direction that it is taking us.  At two years, although not fully developed yet, we are in a better position to make that assessment.

regards

Mackenzie

Those of you that don't like this concept I would say, continue to do what you are doing...its very simple, although I find a lot of hypocrisy coming from countries not regulated by SV type rules. Many of  these countries have been doing this for years. BUT the bigger issue is that there are differences betwween the goals and thus the implementation of the two organizations. If their ideas are so destructive you will see the result and people will leave them and go to whatever is producing what they think the GS should be per history and standard. Although, we bring up the DDR system, that I sumbit to you was the last national organization that had the balance of good conformation dogs and strong working ability. Not extreme enough for SV show, and not prey driven enough for sport, but ask herding/police people if the DDR suited them. ( No disrespect to Sweden) Ask the public if the DDR had the looks to satisfy them! So when it comes down to it, SV thought that goals and implementation of RSV were too disruptive for them, so let the organization develop and we evaluate their results. One thing is for sure, the movement is not being led by uncredible people, or people who have not an understanding of the history of the breed and what it should be per its origin. So let's chill out about their breeding practices at this point and let time tell the wisdom.