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my "baby" has been limping since monday. i brought him to the vet wednesday. they say it's Pano. he is 5 mths old. they put him on rymadil. i see no improvement yet and i'm wondering how long Pano usually lasts. i never had a puppy that had it.

Don't worry about it. it will get better. The length just depends. I wanted to send this to you before some of those wild and crazy people that i have seen on here get to you. I have never in my life heard some of the most crazy talk as I have heard on here. From talking about WHITE german shepherds to the blue and liver germen shepherds. Did anyone ever hear of bad pigment. Years ago in Euope that is what the 2 gallon bucket of water in the welp area was for. Dogs born with bad pigment. But now days that is why so much junk is out there, people can't breed. pano is just a course of life, some get it some don't. The big DDR dogs were always famous for that, that is why good breeders want the standard size dogs.

Hmmm, okay, for the last time, I have been through pano twice with different dogs.

Symptoms of pano - limping, usualy on one leg, sometimes front leg,sometimes back leg. Slight limping,itgoes away after a few days, then comes back in a few weeks or so, then goes away etc.. till the dog is done with it for good.

Usualy happens around 4, 5, 6months of age, lasts a few months.

Sometimes, oftentimes, it can come back on a different leg, front or back don't matter.

Severity of discomfort varies with the dog, some act as if't just a slight botheration and no big deal at all, like a nuissance, some act as they have been amputated and any flavor in between.

I really would NOT givehim/her Rimadyl - that thing is a poison and too strong for pano, but to each its own - Maalox,or baby aspirin available over the counter anywhere, should do just fine and limiting the exercise on top of that.

Pup will "self-limit" his exercise, but the owner and the pup should take it easy for a few days, no running, limited walking and generally taking it easy and lounging around.

Food intake if it has too much proteine, has to be cut down, the cause of pano is too much growth too fast.

You will notice after a few days, pano will subside and the dog will act like nothing happened.

But, the best news is - pano may come and go, but once it's gone for good, it'sgone for good (at latest around 9 months or 1 months) and IT SHOLD NOT come back again. Dogs that go through Pano, once it's gone do not seems to be bothered by it later on and it does not have any lasting effect, except those "growing pains" we re talking about here, which essential is what Pano is.

That's the nuts and bolts of it, as I see it.

Hope that helps and best of luck.

my dog had it for a month and a half and my vet said it was because i fed adult formula instead of puppy formula so there was an excess of protein

than i switched to raw food from k9 cravings and maybe it had nothing to due with it and may be it did but it went away

One of my girls went through pano off and on for a few months.  I gave her an aspirin when needed.  I didn't like the stronger drugs since she was so young.  Fianlly out grew it though at times I wondered!

Pano absolutely can occur MUCH later than 9mos-1 year. Caleb had it (confirmed by xray) at 28mos. Yes, that's over 2 years old. So much for the theory that it occurs b/c of rapid growth and puppy food!

I would nix the Rimadyl asap. Way too toxic for a little guy; in fact, I wouldn't give that to any dog who wasn't dying anyway. It'll transfer from one leg to another, most likely. If he doesn't stop limping soon on the currently affected leg, make sure it's just Pano and not ED or something.

Ok,fair enough. That is why my sentence begun with: "Usualy happens..." and itdoes, again USUALY.There are exceptionsto everything.

Quote: "Pano absolutely can occur MUCH later than 9mos-1 year. Caleb had it (confirmed by xray) at 28mos."
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Adi, I didn't mean that directly at you...I was addressing the common idea that puppy food causes it. My dog was raw fed and most certainly did not grow rapidly. He is old DDR lines though, and he is quite large, and I do agree that it can be genetic.

There are probably many threads on this subject if you do a search.. but a recap, panosteitis or "pano" is also known as long bone disease, growing pains and wandering lameness. It occurs in both sexes and can occur in any place there is a bone.. I have seen it in the front limbs, the rear limbs including the thigh area and the rib cage.....
It is generally considered to be more of an adolescent puppy disease because it most often occurs during growth spurts, however according to The 5 minute Vet Consult reference it has been documented in pups as young as 8 weeks and dogs as old as 5 years 
I have had one dog with it at about 3 years old.....
It can be mild or cause depression and anorexia in its victims... I say victim because it is painful and ugly but if i had to choose an orthopedic issue, it would be the one. It does go away with no lasting affects although I have a friend who is a vet and she swears she has seen crippling in a dog that had it. I have anotehr friend whose dog had lasting muscle atrophy caused by favoring the limb and had to do some extensive rehab.
People will say it is food related and that well may be, however, there is a genetic connection that is undeniable.. I would challenge the food connection as I have seen it in pups on adult food, puppy food, low fat food and a few even raw fed....

Nowadays everyone wants to cure everything and give a pill.. I would hesitate to use anything unless the poor thing can't bear weight at all..  and even then would take into consideration the pups age and the degree of discomfort.

Hope this helps.. your vet telling you that it happened becuase the pup is on adult food is bunk and just points out the fact that vets really know very little about nutrition ..

hope this helps

Agree w/Dkiah.

Another good point is that it can cause atrophy. I have seen a hip xray w/subluxation on one side due to bad Pano. The muscle was obviously atrophied and far weaker than the other side. Consequently, the dog has one perfect hip and one borderline hip, due to Pano and not genetics.