WDA - AWDF - USA?

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by TessJ10 on 25 March 2009 - 13:03

Anyone care to give a synopsis of these different groups? Are they much of a muchness, or do they have radically different philosophies/rules? Different affiliations?

The thread on the upcoming Bosen Kinder Hundesport trial made me think of it. I know that USA is transitioning to AWDF scorebooks. And I think they recognize each other's trials and titles, is that right? But is WDA totally separate?

Thought maybe a discussion on this would enlighten not only me, but a lot of other people, too.

Thanks for any help.

by Bullet on 25 March 2009 - 13:03

The AWDF is the largest working dog based umbrella for SchH based clubs in America. We work together with 14 member clubs including the DVG, and the USA to form a working dog federation. We have ties with the FCI working commission and allowed to participate in their championship events.

The USA and the WDA are GSD clubs with ties to the SV, that being the GSD club in Germany. In the future the USA and the WDA are planning to work more closely together for the good of the GSD.

So the USA is a member of the AWDF, and our member clubs are trying to all use the same scorebook so that is where the transistion thing comes from. The WDA is not part of this federation, but is working a building a better relationship with the USA

Al Govednik

by Avorow on 25 March 2009 - 13:03

WDA is the working arm of the GSDCA. As such they are more affiliated with AKC. There are some talks underway to bring WDA into more of a partnership with USA. Currently both clubs contribute to the WUSV team from this country. USA is dedicated to the SV standard of the German Shepherd although any breed may trial at the events. USA is developing a registry program similar to the one used by the SV. AWDF is all breed and the USA is a member,

The interesting bit comes into play with the acceptance of WDS by the AKC. Once the program is off of probationary staus, I fear that the GSDCA will have no reason to keep WDA.

As of right now, I believe that WDA will recognise USA scorebooks as far as titles earned but not for the Seiger show or nationals, I think those must be done under WDA judges (or SV, everybody accepts those) at WDA events. USA currently does not accept WDA scorebooks, but I wonder if the new AWDF scorebooks will be more universal...? WDA and USA both have judges approved by each, SV judges are acceptable to both groups.

Clear as mud, right?

by ShelleyR on 25 March 2009 - 13:03

I sincerely hope all the organizations work more closely in future. I participate in both USA and WDA events with multiple dogs, always have. Being able to use one scorebook would be a lot less confusing and more convenient.

I wish we didn't have to register dogs with USA to participate in USA events. Even though I was a huge proponent of that registry almost from its inception, a USA Breed Warden and Asst. Tattooer for years, the registry's time has come and gone IMO. At his point it is just another expense, more paperwork for those of us who want to enter dogs in USA shows & breed surveys.

SS

by TessJ10 on 25 March 2009 - 14:03

Thank you all for the responses.

Currently I belong to USA. If I went to Shelley's club's trial, should I first join WDA and register my dog with them? If I get a title there, would that title be recognized by USA and/or AWDF, or would I have to repeat it in order to earn the USA title?

I know a lot of people on here are anti-AKC, and although I have my own problems with some of the things they do, I would like to support the GSDC of America: I've always believed in working from within to show change, so maybe it would be helpful for GSD fanciers to join WDA as well as one of the other organizations?

Although I'm a USA member, my dog is registered only with AKC as I don't think I quite understood the reasons/ramifications of USA registration. So I'm guessing that WDA, being AKC affiliated, does not have a separate registration, is that right? Does AWDF register dogs?

Obviously I need to get up to speed on this stuff.

by TessJ10 on 25 March 2009 - 14:03

"The interesting bit comes into play with the acceptance of WDS by the AKC."

Ok, so what's WDS? Aarrghh! (LOL)

by gagsd4 on 25 March 2009 - 14:03

Here is WDS..... http://www.akc.org/events/working_dog_sport/index.cfm
In a nut shell, it is AKC sanctioned schutzhund.

Someone correct me if wrong but my interpretation is..... WDA was formed because AKC did not promote/allow bitework. Now that they do (provisionally), there is talk of making WDA just a commitee of GSDCA. I doubt if WDA is happy with that, and maybe that is why WDA andUScA are talking to each now???
Our local training group is looking into the possibility of forming a GSDCA Regional Specialty Club so that we can do WDS events, as well as Rally, reg. obedience, tracking, etc. We may be the first GSDCA club made up mostly of Euro line GSDs:) :)

--Mary

by TessJ10 on 25 March 2009 - 14:03

"We may be the first GSDCA club made up mostly of Euro line GSDs:) :) "

twita!

Sorry for all the questions.

I understand about AKC not allowing bitework, so the WDA was formed. (Does this mean AKC accepts WDA SchH titles? Shouldn't it if WDA is an offshoot of the breed's parent club?)

So it sounds like now AKC is willing to have official acknowledgement of SchH titles (maybe they'll call them something else) - why wouldn't they go right to WDA and say, hey, you folks are up & running, we now accept your titles (assuming WDA allows more than GSD to compete). Sounds like re-inventing the wheel.

I guess my ultimate question then, is for those of you who have been active for a long time in GSDs and/or SchH: what do you recommend new people support/join? When I got my GSD I figured I'd join the AKC parent club and their organizations, since I'm coming from breeding/showing other AKC breeds and am AKC-oriented. However, my SchH Club is a USA club and a requirement of membership with them is holding USA membership, so I joined USA (and have certainly found it a lot of fun and very educational - great people). I'd like experienced peoples' thoughts on if you think it more beneficial for the breed, to belong to certain organizations.

by Bob McKown on 25 March 2009 - 15:03

In all honesty the AKC has very little in the way of benifiting the breeds in mind as much as benifiting there own bottom line.

by Christopher Smith on 25 March 2009 - 15:03

Here is WDS..... http://www.akc.org/events/working_dog_sport/index.cfm
In a nut shell, it is AKC sanctioned schutzhund.

WDS is to schutzhund, what a bootleg Gucci handbag is to the real thing.

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