Chock vs Pinch for BO training - Page 1

What do you like and what do you think is the bigest pros and cons for each.  Do you think its the collar or the way it is used that makes the difference.  What about different personalitys do you like that plays the bigest role.

I don't like choke collars period.  the choke has done nothing for everydog I have owned.  they will pull into it and choke themselves.  not to mention the damage it can cause to their windpipe and esophagus.

I have used the nylon martingale's and the pinch collars with alot of success.  a softer dog does well with verbal corrections, a pop on a regular nylon collar or a nylon martingale.  a more dominant, or hard headed dog may require the pinch collar. 

The choke and the pinch have different uses,
The choke is smooth and only tightens and can be used with more force, the pinch is more subtle and requires less force.
Either one can cause harm if not used correctly.   Fur saver is basicly a choke with larger links to pull at the fur less.
Proper fit is also very important.   You would not use a pinch on a long line.

Either is only effective with a quick snap, not a pull.  You can get results with either if used properly but I prefer prong collars because it takes less force and gets their attention better.  In the long run with most gsds the choke is not enough, especially if they are in drive.  The same degree of correction with the prong collar will is far safer.  I don't like the idea of hard corrections with choke chains.
I use fir savors which are even worse for corrections, but always have a prong collar on them to switch to.

It all depends on how you train and what kind of training your doing.

There was no mention of what type of dog your talking about...Different dogs require different type collars...I personally for my German Shepherds...have them always wear their fur savers...For training I will usually use the pinch collar...but sometimes you don't use it...but teach your dog to wear it and get used to it...For some bitework I will use a agitation collar and/or a e-collar...So a lot of the times I will go onto the training field having my dog wear 3 collars...
Now...like I said...it depends on what type of dog your talking about...for my wife's Yorkies...I don't think I'd be using the same type collars...But that's a whole other subject...

~Bob~

What does Ivan use in his Yorkie training seminars?

Two Moons i have started my gs girl formal obedience training a few days ago i  have always used a choke style collar with a loose lead style of training  I was just wondering if there would be less of a chance at breaking her spirit if i went with a different collar.  She seems to be very smart and full of drive but can turn very submisive quickly when corected.  So my point being i want her to be confident and keep and show her moxey if you know what i mean.  I also understand that at 11 months she still has alot of maturing to do and maybe i am worred for nothing but i want a great future for her and dont want to take any chances.

Is that Basic Obedience?  Flat collar, stand on the lead so the beast doesn't wander off on you, and appeal to the dog's basic logic with a piece of cheese or wad of hamburger.  The great part is, you'll get offlead obedience out of it too, which a prong or pinch or chain won't get you.  Were you taught to read by being whacked over the head with a board?  Same concept.  Get what you want, tell the dog what it is and that you wanted it, and plug straight into his best memory path with that bit of food.

Polishing?  Then MAYBE a prong collar, if you can't get by on a nylon slip.

Seriously, there was a set of autopsies done on dogs that had been trained with different sorts of collars.  Chain left the most damage, followed by prong.  Why damage what you just spent several hundred or thousand dollars on, and what you supposedly love?

Sorry to roar, but you hit something of a hotbutton issue with me here.  I've watched a lot of people think they were producing great obedience because in 100 shows they could get three novice ribbons, when what they were getting were fur-chewers, panic-attackers, and bites from their own dogs.  Do-It-Or-Else training stinks.  Other people's dogs see the collar and say, "Oh, crap, we're doing obedience."  Mine whoop and holler out of jealousy until it's their turn.  Granted, my girl and I had trouble with drop-on-recall because she slid the rest of the way to me on sheer momentum (on a rubber mat, some 15 feet).  I always had to stick the landings on recalls with her anyway.  She sat at the right point, but, you know, basic physics overwhelmed basic obedience.