Show People VS Schutzhund People

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by happyday on 16 March 2009 - 23:03

I am just curious - I have been reading this PDB for sometime - and I am just curious -I haven't comment alot -but how many people are show people and how many are schutzhund people or both. There are the regular's that seem to comment on alot of different topics - and then there are those that only comment sometimes. I would like to hear from each Individual - just curious about Uberland, Shelleystrohl, TwoMoons, Mystere what do you do - are you kennels - trainers or what - you seem to be here alot -

You have view points on all topics. And are very knowledgeable on all topics - just wondering what is your bio....

by Uber Land on 17 March 2009 - 00:03

well, guess I can go first.
I am a 3rd gen breeder, my grandmother bred pomeranians, my grandfather old bulldogs( pit type). He always had cows, chickens and old pigs around. When I was little, we moved into a new home and while moving our stuff, someone tried to break in. that prompted my parents to buy our first chow chow. my mom eventually acquired a few more chows and I grew up with her raising them. I started real early helping the puppies being born and caring for the animals. The very first chow we bought was when I was 4 years old, we lost him when I was 18! I had a cousin who imported and bred rotties, and she is who we acquired or rottweiler stock from, never had no more than 3 of them. our dogs were close decendants of Ives Eulingspeigel, Santos Swaiger Wappen, Rodsen lines, and extremely old Hungerbuhl. We quit breeding rotts because , if anyone remembers, about 12 years ago, they were the breed being banned all ov er the country (now the big thing is pits). Tarrant county (Fort Worth, Tx)had talked about banning the breed. I would have continued breeding them personally, but every other breeder we went to look at was breeding extreme aggression in their dogs and it wasn't something we wanted to promote, so we placed our old pair and I bought my first gsd. She turned out being a puititary (sp?) dwarf. I've had gsd ever since.

I've also bred a couple litters of american show cockers, champion pekingese, champion shih tzu, and a few pomeranians(we lost our last old girl a month ago at 15 years old). (We no longer own any of these breeds) We have rescue chihuahua's and 4 rescue japanese chin now, all are 10+ years old and don't have too many years left.

Like everyone else, I started out with BYB american lines, but eventually started acquiring better german stock. I've been taken by many breeders and have lost alot of money. I have done some training in schutzhund with several different clubs and breeders, but have not went as far as to title a dog on my own. between my nerve problems and anxiety, I can't make my self go out onto a field with a ton of people watching. sounds like a lame ass excuse I know, but panic attacks are not fun. I have no problem putting on a sleeve and working a dog, though if I do I won't be able to get out of bed for a week.

I've only bred 6 or 7 litters of gsd the entire time I have had them and haven't bred a litter of my own in about 5 yrs. I've spent countless hours looking over pedigree's, listening to old breeders, reading up on genetics and orthopedics. I've probably read and owned just about every gsd book printed.

I don't consider myself a kennel persay. my dogs are never kenneled (I don't have kennels), and can come in and out of the house at will. I don't have the credentials that Shelly and other people on here do, but I have a good understanding of dogs and how they think. I have rehabilitated many abused dogs. I am generally a good home for problem dogs. all my dogs are very well behaved and I train them myself in basic obedience.

maybe this is a start.

by Mystere on 17 March 2009 - 01:03

Why don't you tell us about yourself, first? :-)

by anvardean on 17 March 2009 - 01:03

Hello, well, let me see how should I start this. you are talking about the german show dog right? the type where titlting the dog is a must. German style show is schutzhund but not quite as precise as true schutzhund sport. They only train their dog just to get the title, if the dog happen to score high that fine, if the dog barely passed that fine also-as long as the dog get the title. As for the true schutzhund- the dog must be really well trained, like a machine sort of.

by anvardean on 17 March 2009 - 01:03

one othe about the german show people, keeping their dog in top shape is a must!! dog must be condition right, feed right, kept right at all time!!! Very time consuming but worth the time and effort

by Kinolog on 17 March 2009 - 02:03

We are neither show nor schutzhund people. If any of us pay this database any mind it is because we are trying to get a better feel for what is going on with the breed outside of our own training/breeding program. We don't sell our dogs as a rule. We occasionally place dogs or puppies but not often. Our dogs are bred and trained for service within the military in "real world" applications. We don't have time or inclination to compete. We are usually too busy refining our own program so whatever we do, it is for the dogs and the nature of the work, the dog-handler bond, not for profit or pleasing other people. There is nothing like a beautiful dog that moves with precision, that has a fire in his eyes, that is as dedicated to his service as his handler is to his (hers). But the dog also needs correct structure and top health to be balanced physically and do the job. The ultimate dream is to have that dog that embodies all of these qualities - and to have him as your partner. To breed for prestige or money or both is what leads to corrupting the breed. We are fortunate we can live this dream. A lot of our people come to this work from a variety of arenas. I have a doctorate in experimental psychology. But I have loved the GSD since I was a child and I come from a long line of animal lovers and pain-in-the-asses.

As for the "show" and "work"-type rift - any extreme that takes away from versatility is a disservice to the breed. I have no use for a dog with a "hair trigger" that can impress within the narrow range of competition but is otherwise useless any more than a "prima donna" that can't do the job out of the show ring. I have dealt with both types. I am not criticizing people's tastes. That is a different matter. And I am not going to apologize for mine. We try to do what works, and improvement lies within this arena.

by Uber Land on 17 March 2009 - 19:03

no reply from happyday? you did start this thread, tell people about yourself

by happyday on 17 March 2009 - 20:03

I belong to the Central Alabama Sch Club in Birmingham, Al - I have been a member for about a year - I got into Schutzhund - because I thought it was a good way to train dogs - after I really realized what it was - a sport - I got even more hooked - I just wanted a technique to train my dog and was looking for guidance... I didn't realize it was a sport, Like football.... it is addicting...

I have two dogs - one pup- 12 months old and a 10 wk old Jabina Falco pup- I have had him a couple of weeks. ... I have had other GSD over the years - but I only started schutzhund when I got my female.

I started this thread - because I couldnt' really tell who was what by the comments... Maybe calling it Show People vs Sch people wasn't the right thing to call it - but I am not clear - on the show end - I get the Sch part - that is all I deal with at my club. So I was just curious on the people that responded to my hans k9 email... I am not sure who he is..but ya'll all seem so knowledable on all matters. It is always good to know who is doing the talking...

Shelly

by Uber Land on 17 March 2009 - 21:03

I wish I could be more involved with my guys in schutzhund, as I really enjoyed getting out there and working with my dogs, but at the moment it isn't possible. I hate mornings, but I always managed to get up at 5 and 6 am on training day :)

Right now, I am doing the best I can.

as for show, I could really care less about running a dog around a ring. I was more interested in the utility aspect of the breed and still put more focus on the working ability and training aspect than I do showing. even though I have mainly show stock now, I have tried to choose lines known to produce strong working temperments. I take more pride in my pups who go on to do SAR and the like than I do if one happens to get a good placement in the showring.

I think when my health gets straightened out, I will pursue SAR training with my dogs. Schutzhund is ok, but it is a sport. I like to see my dogs serve a purpose that will help people in real life.

by DebiSue on 17 March 2009 - 21:03

I just recently joined the Air Capital Schutzhund Club of Wichita Ks. but due to recent surgery I haven't been able to do much more than watch. I did take my GSD there originally just to see if they thought she is Schutzhund material. Everyone there was so friendly and helpful with my then 4mo old puppy that I joined up soon after. They tested her for drive and she went after the dummy like she was born to it. She didn't lose her grip when the trainer lifted her momentarily in the air and when he accidently knocked her off her feet she immediately charged back into the fray. I was hooked.
We had a german bred bitch for 9 years but she had no drive, loved to play & everyone was her friend. Couldn't ask for a sweeter pet. My husband has had GSDs all his life and even bred a litter or two long before I met him. He told me when we got Airin that she wasn't a typical GSD and I had better not expect this new pup to be anything like her. Echo is definately a different bitch. We got her from a (gasp) backyard breeder from American Showlines with a sprinkling of German working lines too far back to care. All we wanted at the time was a pet with no intention of breeding, showing or working. We just needed someone to fill the void left by Airin when she died. We soon discovered there were no reputable breeders here and even toyed with the idea to rescue an older dog when we ran across this litter. Unlike so many we found this litter was full of itself and eager to meet people. All dogs on the property looked well taken care of and the puppies were in the house. We liked the way the dam and sire (on site) looked and their temperament was good and even though we were not impressed with the pedigree we took the plunge. We're holding our breath as far as health regarding hips/elbows but she is a pistol at nearly 6mos. I grew up on a farm with cattle and horses, pigs and chickens and have a lot of animal savy and had numerous mutts until I introduced rough collies to my family. (Thank the book, Lad a Dog for that.) So we went through several collies and even showed one in conformation a couple of times but it was for fun so we didn't pursue it despite taking a first place ribbon. I even taught my beloved Andy to track. My husband grew up in a house of sable GSDs & never knew a day without one for years. We both realized we had been without a dog of any kind for over twenty years after we had been married for 10 years and even though I wanted another collie my husband insists he won't feed anything but a GSD. I have been converted! So I am new to the breed but I know dogs and I am getting an education with this one. I comment from time to time but mostly I learn from this site. There are some great people on here.

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