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by macawpower58 on 15 March 2009 - 17:03

Another member started a socialization thread, and got some good answers. I'd like to delve into it more deeply, as I'm expecting my first workingiine pup is about 3 weeks.

Do you socialize differently for different dogs?  I'd like a social dog, but also do not  want my dog fawning on every new person it sees.    Is this something that can be shaped by socializing, or is it genetic, and what will be will be?  I'd like a calm exceptance of new people, without the 'I have to jump in their lap and lick their face responce'.  Is this taught as a young pup?  Or does it calm as the pup grows older?

At what age is it safe to take pups everywhere.  Does everyone wait until the shot series is completely done.  I'd think this may lose some of the important windows, but I'm not sure if it makes a big difference or not.

Upon meeting new people, do you ask  your pup for any behavior?  Do you allow unlimited snuggles and play if the pup desires to do so?  Or do you allow only limited interaction with strangers.

Do you have the strangers offer food?

Do you teach a 'hier' during pup meeting people so to cement in it's mind, you are whom it should always look to and return to?  Or do you allow pup to say hi until it tires of doing so?

Do you allow anyone to hold/pick up your pup.  I've seen many people that just have to pick up and cuddle a pup.  Is this good, bad, or not an issue?

How do you handle when pup is hesitant about a new situation?  Do you just leave it for another (more mature age) time? Coaxe pup to investigate?   Pick pup up so it feels safer?  Ignore the hesitancy/fear?

What about other dogs?   My pup will not run with my others, but I will introduce them, and at times walk them together.  When encountering a new dog (say it's friendly and stable), do you encourage interaction, or teach pup dogs are seen but not their new best friend?

I am training for sport, not personnal protection.   Will this make a difference in how I should socialize?

Thanks for any ideas.

Becky

Mystee

by Mystee on 15 March 2009 - 18:03

My opinions: It does  vary depending on the dog, but I go at it from basically the same with most. The fawning over new people I have come to think is more genetic, with some socialization as well. My 3 working lines could not care less about people when it is time to work. Very social otherwise (when I tell them to go say hi, they dutifully put themselves in petting distance and maybe give a wag or two of the tail) but not so social they are inviting strangers in the house or even saying hi to strangers I don't tell them to say hi too. I never tried to stop them from greeting people as a pup though. I encouraged it every chance I got. Being social was more important than being wary to me- that is part of the breed and in their genes and will develop as they get older.

I took mine all over from the day I got them- I just pick and chose where they went. Not around dogs I didn't know or places where other dogs frequented. But we sat outside grocery stores, fire stations, schools, etc multiple times a day. They only met dogs I knew were healthy and current and I knew would be gentle. I definitely recommend letting them meet other dogs, otherwise they will not learn proper social behaviors like how to greet. I had one I did not do this with enough and she became very annoying about it- when it was time to meet one later, she jumped in their face and pawed at them and pissed them off. So with the next one starting at a young age I taught them to say hi nicely. The ony thing I asked of them was no jumping and I didnt even do that til a few months old. You are right, their is a vital window and I just wasn't gonna let puppy sit in the house waiting for shots. The first 4 months are key. I was careful and had no health issues as a result.

I do have strangers offer food if the petting is not enough for the pup. One of  mine was not social as a pup, so I had a lot of people give her food. She still doesn't love other people but now is more social than she would have been otherwise.

I have not used hier personally, but don't have an opinion either way. I think it is fine to hace (responsible) people pick the pup up so the dog learns to be handled and not freak out. Think of going to the vet later. I'd say let them.

When a pup is hesitant definitely do not pick up to make it feel safe. This is just reinforcing the behavior. Don't encourage the behavior at all, coax the pup up to it- tell him to go see or check it out. Maybe even use food when he does as a reward. and lots of praise for overcoming the fear/hesitancy.

My opinions, I'm sure some disagree, but I am very happy with the social levels of all my dogs. When we're working, no one else matters. If I want them to say hi, they do.


by AnjaBlue on 15 March 2009 - 19:03

Pretty much I'd say I agree with most of the above - I personally wouldn't want a dog that isn't reliable around our friends, guests, and people in the park. Many people have a negative perception of the German Shepherd, so any place I can utilize my dogs as ambassadors for the breed I do so. Having said that, I haven't personally owned, nor do I know of anyone who owns, a GSD that fawns on other people. Our dogs are friendly and approachable, but they also maintain a certain aloofness - only family members get the "in your lap" type of behavior (our 85 lb boy is good at trying his luck at that LOL.)

Do I let other people handle a puppy? Yes, because they are going to have to go to the vet, groomer, whatever, and tolerate being touched by strangers. We adopted a 6 month old puppy back in 2007 - he had obviously NEVER been handled, my guess is not even by the previous owner who dumped him - and believe me, once that window of opportunity  is missed (i.e. when they are very young) it is extremely difficult to make up for lost time. He is 2 now and still resists being examined or groomed, by people other than my husband or myself  - my vet muzzles him, not because he is aggressive by nature (he's sweet) but because in this particular situation he may not be trustworthy. It's something we may have to work on for the rest of his life, and all because someone was too ignorant or too lazy to spend time with him when he was a baby.....

Lastly, you mention that your dog is for sport, not for PPD. What type of sport?


 


by macawpower58 on 15 March 2009 - 20:03

Schutzhund is the sport I am doing.  When I say not a PPD I mean, I am not training to defend my person or home.  If the genetics are there, so much the better, but that is not what I am getting the pup for.

Thanks for the replys. 

Alyssa Myracle

by Alyssa Myracle on 15 March 2009 - 22:03

RE: picking up pups.

My current bitch was a tad older when I got her, 14 weeks.  Therefore, she was already a little out of the cuddly-small stage.
Since she was a bit bigger, and perfectly content to follow me around on a lead and go where sent, I never picked her up.


She now despises being picked up.  Makes it a pain to weigh her.


So, I would recommend picking your puppy up periodically, just to familiarize them with the experience... even if they are "bigger".

by AnjaBlue on 15 March 2009 - 22:03

Well I wish you luck - I was involved in Schutzhund for a number of years and my dog and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I did turn a deaf ear to those people who felt that competitive dogs should be isolated and unsocialized - and there were a few who felt that this was the way to go. I hope you will continue to expose your little guy to everything that life has to offer, because he will be happier and so will you.....

by AnjaBlue on 15 March 2009 - 22:03

Well I wish you luck - I was involved in Schutzhund for a number of years and my dog and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I did turn a deaf ear to those people who felt that competitive dogs should be isolated and unsocialized - and there were a few who felt that this was the way to go. I hope you will continue to expose your little guy to everything that life has to offer, because he will be happier and so will you.....

by macawpower58 on 16 March 2009 - 01:03

Yes, I intend this pup to be exposed to everything I can devise.  Children especially.  Since I'm out of the children stage, it's one area I'll need to make sure I concentrate on.  Softball games seem to be perfect for this.  We also have a scate park that I think I may visit to expose pup to the loud and quick movement skateboarders make.

I already have one male that thinks bicycles are make for him to chase, and don't want to make the same mistake of not exposing this pup to such things.

What do some of you do to desentisize to surfaces?  The only thing around me that I can think of, are metal stadium bleachers. 

I think we have a new hardware store that allows dogs also.

Any other ideas?

by Louise M. Penery on 16 March 2009 - 01:03

Take him to an airport--with lots of people. slick surfaces, and elevators. Those conveyor belt for walking on are also great.

by macawpower58 on 16 March 2009 - 03:03

Thanks Louise, that's a good idea.





 


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