Rant and Questions - Page 1

I know this probably has been brought up before but I really need to rant, or vent. I know some of you have most likely gone thru this already and yes, its SSDD(thats for two moons) but I need to get this out of my system. I hope you all dont mind.
I know someone who recently told me that she is going to sell her 11 month old gsd intact female puppy because this puppy cant be bred, in her opinion. She actually got this pup as an impulse buy last year. She had put down a deposit on a higher priced litter that was better bred but when the time came to get the pup ,she didnt have the money to get one of the higher priced pups so got a female from the less expensive litter instead. She didnt want to lose her depoit money and that is why she just went with the cheaper pup. The pups dam has quite a few white gsd in the pedigree and now the pups nose has turned pink so this person doesnt want to breed this pup because she doesnt want to get white puppies. I know and I have been trying to convince her not to breed this pup all along since there was this possibility of producing white pups and besided that this pups really has nothing to offer to the breed, IMO. Im not bashing white dogs either. This pup, IMO is just not the total package and this person only bought this pup to use as a breeding dog so they could make some money and had no intention of making this dog a family pet. Also, no  intention of getting titles. The breeder does require OFA passing hips per the contract before being used for breeding and the pups owner says she was going to get those done before breeding this pup. Not sure I believe that.
I feel bad for this pup since now after stating my feelings and thought on it she says well its her daughters dog and they may just end up keeping her since its really up to her daughter what they do with the dog. I suggested that if they rehome her they get her spayed but she told me that they cant afford it and she knows that whoever they might sell  her to wont use her as a puppy factory since every dog she has ever sold  has never been bred and spayed before their first heat. I dont know how she can say for sure that this poor pup wont ever be bred if she sells her. Once this pup is gone, she has no control over what the new owners do with her. The pups breeder, it seems, will help her find the dog a new home but doesnt sound like she wants to buy the dog back. I very much disagree with buying a dog just to breed it.
I bought my female hoping to possibly breed her after all the health checks.hips/elbows, titling and all that but she is first and foremost a member of my family. Being able to breed her would have  been good but she has temperament faults and a genetic deformity so she will not be bred. Am I going to just up and sell her since she wont bring me in any money, now, especially since I paid a good amount of money for her, NO!!! I , for one, dont consider dogs desposible property. 
Ok, now Im sure I will get different responses but how many of you would buy a dog just for the purpose of breeding them and making a profit and do you consider it to be right? 
I would never do it and I know that some on here do this very thing and  its not my intention to start a war but this sort of thing really gets to me. Thanks for letting me rant and for any comments.
Oh,yeah, now this person tells me that they are thinking about rehoming this dog because of financial issues. So sad.
Donna

yea, I see where you are coming from.  

For me personally, I wouldn't be able to do it.   But to eaches own!

Same thing with my female, I got her for herding with thoughts of maybe breeding at some point.  

But, after all is said done and she's titled, breed surveyed, hips/elbows, etc. etc.  She's good to go IOW, I'm still not in any hurry to breed her.   When I breed her it's to keep a pup for future training and the $$$ is the last thing on my mind.  

Kathy

 Then again, a dog is a dog, and seriously, you don't have enough in your life to keep you busy you gotta worry about some other dog....... ??????

Not like the children are getting beaten.

It is just a dog. I like dogs a lot, but this is not some super great outstanding example of the breed, it is just a dog.

Let it go.

Hi Donna
I agree with you that pups/dogs should not be bought as sole purpose of breeding they should be first and formost be part of the family , loved for all the unconditional love that they give you  Now does this person not realise that the female could need a section very heavy vet bill. also if she has taken in all the price of the health checks hips/elbows feeding the female on a quality food raising the pups on a quality food , registering the litter giving the litter there 1st jabs advertising the litter I suggest this person has an other think about breeding It would be cheeper to spayed this poor unfortunate female and find her a loving forever home as this is what this little female deserves and i hope this person does the right thing 
R
  

If your breeding for money, be it a few or many, that is what makes a puppy mill.
Money.

 I don't see why people should not buy a dog for the purpose of breeding..doesn't mean they are not going to take care of it.  Doesn't mean they want to make money out of it either..

I'm a breeder..If I look to purchase a dog of course I want to be able to breed and I will look for the best dog (pedigree-OFA-temperament etc) to fit into my breeding program..Of course you have to wait for heath screening..but if he has clean bill of heath and has what it take to make a good GSD..I will breed it.

All my dogs are part of the family..when they come here they are part of the whole group.  

July9000,
  The person Im referring to specifically told me that she only bought this dog for breeding purposes and not for a family pet. Also, if you reread my post, I mentioned that this person didnt buy the quality breeding female but chose the lesser priced female since she really could not afford another dog but didnt want to lose her deposit that she already had given the breeder.This female has lots of white gsd in her pedigree on her dams side and this owner didnt even ask to see the dogs pedigree and just went on the cheaper priced puppy and went with a breeder who doesnt require all the titling and health testing.  This breeder only requires passing hip xrays in order to use any of her pups as breeding dogs. So this person has no intention of ever getting this female titled and even though this dog is only 11 months old and still a puppy, her daughter( the pups actual owner) has already picked out a male to breed her to. This male gsd is also under a year old.
 The pups breeder does nothing with her breeding stock besides getting passing OFA's. This is a different situation than how you go about things when you get a breeding dog.
The main issue I am having is that this person is just willing to sell this poor puppy like its not worth anyhthing since she cant make any money off of her. To me, that is just plain wrong. 
Maybe Im crazy for loving my dogs enough and to accept them for who they are dispite their faults and not being able to breed them and make money. When I get a dog it stays with me for its entire life and becomes a member of my family. I dont think I will ever understand how a person can get a dog and then after having it for a while  can just up and sell it or give it away if it doesnt meet the owners expectations.
I know alot of working dog people do this and I mean no offense but I will never understand it or agree with it. That subject is for a different thread.
I hope this clears things up for you  and give you a better understanding of what I  mean.
Donna

 I understand what you mean..I was more reffering to the first part of shostring post..

If you want my opinion..she should sell it and fast so someone may do something great with her (and being a family pet is great!).

I also understand keeping animals even if they have problems..I have rescued many dogs and cats and some are still with us.  I have no problem with one eye..three legs etc..They have also the right to a full life..

Hi July9000
I was refering to this person buying this female for breeding to make money with no love for the female or the breed ,    if breeding your female it should be of the best quality and best health ie hips/elbows this person does not seem to care,   I also dont see why people cant buy a female for breeding as long as thay look after the dog and love it and do not abuse it 
I do hope this person does let this little female go to a forever loving home 

R     

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