any one use Ivermectrin paste horse wormer?

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by SitasMom on 01 March 2009 - 18:03

Does anyone out there use horse wormer for heart worms, if so what, how much for a 50, 75 and 100 lb dog?

by Uber Land on 01 March 2009 - 18:03

are you talking about the clear liquid cattle wormer? injectable ivemectrin?
if so, its generally 1/10th cc per 10 lbs. but I do know of some breeders who just dose their big dogs with 1 full CC without any ill effects. they've been doing it for 20+ better years.

I've used the horse paste wormer thats the same as panacur for worms. but not the horse ivemectrin for heartworm, only the clear cattle one.

by eichenluft on 01 March 2009 - 18:03

no. The paste horse wormer is formulated for horses - as in 1000 lbs, not 100 lbs or less. The entire syringe of paste has the required amount of Ivermectin in it to treat a 1000 lb horse. Diluting it or cutting it down to treat a much smaller animal would leave you with an unknown amount of ivermectin in the paste - you could very easily overdose your dog, or give him no ivermectin at all. There would be no way of knowing how much ivermectin you were dosing him with.
If you must dose your dogs with ivermectin made for livestock, get the liquid cattle ivermectin, that way at least you know the amount you are overdosing your dog with ;)

The safest way is to get wormer made and formulated with the correct dosage for dogs. Interceptor or other heartworm meds is the safest and best bet.

molly

by SitasMom on 01 March 2009 - 18:03

Interceptor or other hearworm past may be safest, but the price is prohibitive.....

There is no reason that it should cost so much, and there are less expensive ways to keep dogs heartworm free.

First is a yearly vet visit, then the blood test, then the price of the meds.............for people who want to keep theri dogs healthy and are newly laid off or in other financial disstress........this is one of the first things that goes by the wayside.

by lvissering on 01 March 2009 - 18:03

Molly is sort of correct. The horse wormer is used to worm UP TO 1000 lbs, 1250lbs, etc., just depends on the brand. If you have a 500 lb colt to worm with it, it would need to be mixed thoroughly so that he gets the right amount of Ivomec in the first half of the syringe. It is not necessarily intended for all of the paste to be given to one horse. It can be divided up. I have had horses for a LONG time (there are over 30 here now, plus cows) and I have used horse wormers on my dogs as well, NEVER have I had any side affects. You must understand that horses systems are MUCH more sensitive than dogs, or even humans. You do need to be careful and not overdose your dog. My dogs do get their heartworm treatment from the horse wormer, but I know how to dose it. Please be careful, it is hard to get the dose right with the paste, if you are inexpereinced it would be better for you to use the cattle wormer. I also use the Equimax wormer for tapeworms, if needed. And you can use panacur or safeguard as well, but it can be difficult to dose!

by eichenluft on 01 March 2009 - 19:03

don't use horse paste wormer - it is dangerous for dogs, and impossible to correctly dose since it is formulated for horses not dogs. Ask your vet for the correct dosage of the cattle ivermectin, if you want to save money in the long run. Keep in mind that bloodtests for heartworm are not necessary if you keep your dog on heartworm preventative year-round or are careful to give it any month that has temperatures that are warm enough for bugs to emerge. Daily heartworm preventative (made for dogs) may be cheaper in the long run, and safer too. I've also had horses and worked with them professionally for over 30 years. I have never, and will never give my dogs paste wormer made for horses, no way no how.

molly

by ask me about my wiener on 01 March 2009 - 19:03

Using horse , cattle or swine wormer off label, you are responsible for any complications if any. Generally the rule of thumb is one notch per 50 pounds. So a 50 pounder 1 notch, a 100 pounder 2 notches, a 75 pounder 1 1/2 notches. (Take backside of butter knife scrape of 1 notch, then cut in half with backside of another butter knife) I scrape of the notches with my finger, then open dogs mouth, scrape of on dogs tounge or roof of mouth. Wash hands afterwards of wear latex disposable gloves then throw away afterwards. Personally I round up rather then cut, so 50 pounder 1 notch, 75 pounder 2 notches and 100 pounder 2 notches. A notch theoretically treats 65 pounds of dog weight with the consistency and dilution in Zimectricin, Ivermectrin paste wormer. Never had a problem rounding up the dose. Some dogs have an allergic reaction to ivermectrin and it has been known to kill border collies. I have only had one reaction in over 20 years using horse paste wormer, hog injectable and cattle injectable. Now adays, Cattle/Swine Ivomec Injectable is one product not 2 separate as in the past. The cattle injectable is 110 pounds per 1 cc. Everyone pretty much rounds down. 1 cc per 100 pounds. Some cut with other products, never have myself. Also, have always gave injectable as an injection so they cannot spit it out. Some folks have reported / claimed decreased litter size / decreased fertility in male and female dogs using heartgaurd 30, Ivomec or Zimectrin. Something to keep in mind.

by eichenluft on 01 March 2009 - 19:03

the problem with dosing the paste wormer, is you don't know if you are getting the entire syringe-amount of ivermecting in the "one notch" or none. You could be overdosing your dog with the "one notch" or not giving them any preventative at all. It is impossible to tell where in the syringe of paste the wormer is. It is not necessarily evenly distributed, because it is meant for weights of at least 500 lbs and up to 1200 lbs, not 75 lbs.

molly

by SitasMom on 01 March 2009 - 19:03

great info,
here in south east texas, where the mosquitoes are big and thick enough to take you away, heartworms are common.
we have to do something or most every dog will end up with them.

if a dog is to have a reaction:
what are the symptoms?
how long does it take?
are there any antidotes?
is the dog capable of having the same reaction with the dog ivermectrin as well?

by Luvmidog on 01 March 2009 - 19:03

Do not use paste ivemectin . It is too strong.I have horses and I have had 6 shepherds at one time and I only use the Liquid in the brown bottle. It is injectable, but you draw it in the syringe and remove needle and put in rear of mouth with a meat treat.
DO NOT BUY PLUS.
..the ivemectin with the word PLUS has an extra ingredient , which is only for large livestock, not dogs.

My vet has given me the correct dosage for treatment of heartworms, followed every 4 months with Safeguard Goat wormer, bought at the same feedstore you get your Ivemectin in. Goat wormer is Panacur and one big difference is the outragious price of what a vet charges..

The notion that the vet or the Pfizer or Dodge company or Hearguard will pay or be responsible for your dogs heartworms if he comes up with them while you are prescribed the Heartguard or Interceptor is about as founded as your next trip to Mars...Ain't gonna happen..They have to have it documented and researched and will claim you did not give it to the dog , thus they wont pay the bill.

Most vets don't take the real time to put the proper paperwork into effect to assist you if that should happen

In the first place, if you treat your dog properly, you will never have a positive test..I have use it for 20 years.

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