To Split or not to Split - Page 1

The subject of dropping the word 'Alsatian' from the title of our breed was due to be the first item for discussion with the Kennel Club by representatives of BAGSDs, Breed Council and the League at the second meeting. This had been scheduled to take place 13th February. Unfortunately although BAGSDs & the Breed Council would have been able to send a representative Graham Stephens was ill and there was no-one else available from the League and so the meeting was cancelled. It is to be hoped that we do not have to wait too long for another date.
Sheila Rankin

 It's good to see this has been "picked up" by the "GSD Partnership" - although I am staggered there was no one else available from the GSD League. Perhaps they may also look at some ADDITIONS to our GSD Breed Standard, particularly in relation to DENTITION. (look at the FCI/SV GSD Breed Standard)

My best wishes for Graham to fully recover, he works far too hard, especially for a man older than me.

Sheila,

    I am sure that i speak for many of the posters on this message board, who have contributed to the ongoing debate re. the removal of the word Alsatian from the name of our breed, when i ask,  with all due respect to you,  why has it taken 13 days to reveal this fact.  how can anybody now have any confidence in this: what i can only describe as "fragmented leadership"Whilst i every sympathy with Graham, and wish him a speedy recovery, surely on such an important matter as this, and with the feelings of the Breeders and Exhibitors well known, i'm sure the meeting could have gone ahead, with another member of the committee being seconded in Graham's place.

  I await your reply.


 Kind Regards

Paul Rattigan.

Do the GSDL have a vice chairman if so he/she should have stood in

Sheila, the eternal fact remains, Alsation was an old term to preserve the GSD breed, that was not to be associated with Germany since anything German was considered tabooafter the second world war. The KC retained it in the 70's even after changing to the original name as GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG (ALSATION) in brackets, for the common man to associate it with the original breed.

As we all are being pressurised by Idiots like Videx to arrive at a consensus as to divide the breed Alsation from the GSD, let me clarify
a) The Alsation has it's roots in this country for the past 80 odd years and has remained unchanged

b) The GSD has arrived rather recently and has introduced a very different type from what was bred in the country about 20 yrs ago.

Those who want the recent type may as well stay with it and the Alsation lobby can stay and breed whatever they want.

I think that it is irrelavant on the whole to bifurcate the breed and make the Alsation a different breed altogether. 

Martin Whalberg 

martin firstly it was after the first world war not the second     secondly there is no such breed of dog anywhere else in the world called an alsatian because it does not exist (exists as a name in GB not a breed) the true name is german shepherd dog and even so called alsatians come from the GSD they have chosen to make them look different from all other GSD in the world all the KC needs to do is drop the name alsatian from our registered name of German Shepherd Dog or if they still insist that there is such a breed as alsatian then make it so do not group it in with the world wide GSD i do not think that that is to much to ask.
jim h

 jim h: SPOT ON

Martin

Your "clarification" starts with the following sentence.....

As we all are being pressurised by Idiots like Videx to arrive at a consensus as to divide the breed Alsation from the GSD, let me clarify

Who-ever you are -            I  -   and no doubt many others have been able to form a clear concise impression of your sheer arrogance in that very sentence.

We have all gone to great lengths to discuss the "split" or the "re-naming" without upsetting others - and when an upset has occured it has been righted, but you state that you have been pressurised  !!   What a load of nonsense you are spewing forth.

How did the pressure get to you?   Everyone interested in this being carried forward has done just the opposite but pressurise, we have taken on board everyones feelings on the matter - WITHOUT PRESSURE  Did your pc start to switch itself on, and bleep at you to read the thread?  did people ring you and hassle you to vote? Did you get letters?  get offered bribes?

Once again, you show your ignorance -

in the facts    -  as pointed out by Jim.h.
in the above sentence - pointed out by me
in your vitreol against videx and other idiots

I suppose you dont look upon yourself as an idiot do you?

Yours sincerely,   

An Idiot like Videx.

Martin

The message board is a medium that allows conversation on a subject by people that share an interest , the conversation is over an extended period due to the distance that people in the converation are apart.
I have read your many posts on various threads and would suggest if this was a normal face to face conversation you would not be saying the same things.
Your posts are arrogant, ignorant, aggresive, provking,rude and inaccurate and if you were in this as a normal converation you would be asked by all involved to either LEAVE or BE QUIET
So at least disist