Bite power and head size - Page 1

I always see people arguing about breed and bite power. I know we had a different link from National Geographic talking about it before, I found this and thought it interesting enough to post. So more than te size of the dog, the size of the "head" counts as I have always thought. That would be where the muscle counts.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZm037jPNgc

I have a big head, and I bite pretty hard, too.

Bite strength is relative.

It doesnt really have anything to do with protection work. A dog bites as hard as it needs to in a particular situation.

I am going to go home tonight and tell all my dogs that they must bite as hard as they possibly can so I can get an accurate measurement.

These studies are interesting, but IMO, how hard a dog bites has to do with the frame of mind more than anything else. You would have to do what I said above in order to get an accurate gauge on this, plus the dogs would have to be equal in other areas...it's interesting but impossible.

Billy Jo; Hey Leroy....Ill bet you a six pack of Bud my dog bites harder than yours does.

Leroy; Ill take that there bet and raise ya a moonpie!

Billy Jo; Its a bet......uhhh how we gonna test the bite?

Leroy; I guess well have to give my brother-in-law the six pack and hell do it.

Billy Jo; Nope he wont do it after the last bet we had.....says he cant pay the doctor bills.

Leroy; New bet......I bet my girlfriend is uglier than yours is!!!!

Unfortunately most of these "studies" are not scientific. They take one dog to represent an entire breed and shove the bite-o-meter in its face. To rule out individual variations from dog-to-dog, you'd need at least 30 dogs per breed to make any kind of a statistically significant conclusion. -Yvette

Now come on folks lets not talk retarded. If size didn't matter, Chi dogs would be the #1 danger to society.

For the sake of a better argument, lets speculate what a hard dog is thinking or what it is that makes some bite down harder than others. Certain trait, drive or just attitude? Do some dogs get off on their own power or do others just like to fuck people up? That Ducthie seemed to show more attitude that the rest. Some dogs just bite down, others thrash and tear so not all bites can equally be assessed by viewing the after carnage alone. If my dog just bites down really hard on a guy and holds that, or course there won't be as much damage if he has thrashed and prey shook the guy or transfered somewhere else.

That is kinda what this guy went into, technique in the launch or attack and then the pressure in the bite and also the way the dog bit. Some dogs shake and that is of course is going to cause more tissue damage but who needs tissue damage when the dogs snaps bone? I think Coyotes cause so much tissue damage because they aren't capable of breaking bone on larger prey, such as a deer, or cow. You will see them shred the rear end underbelly or whatever they can safely grab and just start stripping skin and muscle until the prey bleeds out enough to quit fighting. This is going away from the subject I care to address here, as our dogs aren't eating their bite subjects.

What dogs bite hardest, high prey driven, nervy, dominant, defensive dogs, dogs with more fight than your average dog, or the ones with alot of those things in hi amounts? Lets do some speculating and instances, what dogs you have seen and how they exibited in drive and their attack styles.

So far all I can come up with is that the larger males that bite full and pretty calm are the ones that bite with the most pressure. The ones that thrash on the suit seem to get suit and not man under it, then they flail back and forth with that.

Hello 4pack,
I am in Ca at my daughters house so I can finally post.  I have wanted to post on several threads but my computer will not let me.  RE your thread, I will say that anyone that has taken lots of bites on different dogs with sleeves that allow you to feel the impact of a full bite, I think will agree that head size, especially the size of the head across the head or jaw area is generally speaking the most accurate means to predict how hard the dog will bite.

A substantial male  Rott with a nice head will bite as hard as any dog that I have personally experienced.  They can be crushing, infact they can destroy your shoulder for life when they drop after the bite, very strong dogs.  Pound for pound a pit has a great bite, but again, look at the size and width of the head/jaw area.  A good male gsd will bite about equal to a good male pit, but again, you are talking about a substantial head.   A good male gsd with a good big, broad head will bite harder than what we used to call pointy noses.  Generally speaking, I could tell how hard a dog would bite by looking at him.  Of course this does not allow for some varience from dog to dog, the dogs tenacity or anger or the dogs training which may not exploit the dogs full potential.

I am somewhat suprised that this is a discussion, just take a soft sleeve, put a cuff on it to make it harder, then go out and take some bites and see.  When you do, remember that their may be a little  varience from dog to dog in the dogs desire to exhert a higher percentage of his full power, and some genetic factors.  Get the dogs worked up so they are all biting with the intent of hurting.  Piss them off.

On another matter, does anyone know why I cant post on my computer.  I updated the adobe reader, still no go.