KKL process? - Page 1

 Ok so I know the requirements to be aloud to get a kkl rating on your dog but what happens during a kkl trial?
I never thought I would care about a conformation tittle but i think its important have my dog breed worthy if i ever breed either of them.

If it is a first time Breed survey the dog is measured, weighed, tattoo, testicles and teeth are all checked by the judge. The dog is then stacked for a visual exam of the structure(stand for exam)  After all that the dog is put in the conformation ring to do a bit of trotting fast and slow. Usually the dog goes around the ring once but it depends on the judge. A gun shot is fired to check for gun shyness, this is done with all the dogs that are there for a breed survey.

For the protection portion of the breed survey (first time and lifetime breed survey) the handler and dog set themselves up with the helper in the blind, the handler tells the helper to step out and then the team heals to a spot picked out by the judge, and you set up for an escape, out , pick up your dog and do a long bite. If I am wrong someone can correct me since it has been a whils since I seen one and even longer since I have done a breed survey.

Lifetime breedsurvey is done with a tattoo check, stand for exam and a trot around the ring and then the protection phase as above.

Hope that helps.

Denise

 

 What is the difference between lifetime and normal?

Denise wrote:
For the protection portion of the breed survey (first time and lifetime breed survey) the handler and dog set themselves up with the helper in the blind, the handler tells the helper to step out and then the team heals to a spot picked out by the judge, and you set up for an escape, out , pick up your dog and do a long bite. If I am wrong someone can correct me since it has been a whils since I seen one and even longer since I have done a breed survey.


This is not the case.. You do not call the helper out and do an escape grip.. It is supposed to be an attack out of the blind.. If you watch the S.S bitework (which is supposed to be the same) it does look more like an escape grip than an attack out of the blind, but it is supposed to be an attack.. The second part is the longbite (Courage Bite)...




Best Regards,
Dennis Johnson
www.johnsonhaus.com

Dennis that is what I meant but did not come out that way. Thanks for clarifying that.

As far as the difference between the first time breed survey and lifetime is the first time is good for 2 yrs and before that expires the dog should be surveyed again and that is good for the lifetime of the dog. If you see a KKL1 or 2 that means the dog has done a breed survey good for 2 yrs. When you see a KKL1lbz or KKL2 lbz that means the dog has a breed survey for the life of the dog.

Denise

Yes it is not an escape bite for the protection portion of the breed survey.   It's an "attack out of the blind."  But I also wouldn't consider it a "true" attack out of the blind.  It's supposed to be similiar to what the old Schutzhund routine used to have.   There is a start flag and then another flag several yards from the blind.  At the start flag the dog is on leash and you heel up to the second flag on leash.  You stop at that second flag and remove the leash.  You then heel to the blind off leash where the helper upon the judge's signal will attack the dog.  Once the dog is on the sleeve it is driven with two stick hits and then the helper stops and outs.  Now, the dog does not have to out, but you are allowed up to three commands.   If the dog doesn't out it is noted on the survey that the dog does not out.  You are not required to heel the dog away from the helper to the spot for the long bite.  You can take the dog on leash.   You and the dog stay in the blind at the other end until the judge tells you to come out.  The dog does a long bite, is driven without stick hits, then outed again.   You then approach and leash the dog. 

After the first portion is done, the gaiting around the ring and the gunshot shot, tattoo check, temperment test, etc. etc.  you then go to the protection portion.

After the protection portion the dog is critiqued by the judge.

The weighing and measuring can either take place during that time or even earlier.  For my male's initial survey, the weighing and measuring was done beforehand in the interest of time.  

The resurvey is not all that involved.   Brief gaiting around the ring, tattoo check, gun shot, protection test, and then the judge looks at the dog in the stacked position.   And usually all that the judge says here is "Dog is shown in very good condition, KKL (1 or 2) for life.   I've seen twice where the KKL was upgraded from a 2 to a 1, so it is possible.  

In September, I had my female surveyed initially, and my male for his resurvey.  So having the two of them done on the same day kept me busy! 

The initial survey is only good for two years.   You must get the lifetime survey before the two years are up, otherwise you go back to the two year survey.  So especially in the U.S. you are scouting way in advance where to get that resurvey and surveys done.  

Kathy

lol jetta,

we must have been typing at the same time.  

Close. Actually we heel the dogoff-leash from the start position towards the hiding place (blind). The dog MUST heel till the helper exits the hiding place! (you get three tries, then you're done) The judge signals the helper to leave the blind. Dog must engage the helper, out on command (you get three commands). On signal from the judge we pick up the dog, head for the end of the field (on leash or off) remove leash and wait for the judge to signal us to release the dog for the courage test. The dog must engage the helper, tolerate the stick hits, out upon command. Once the dog is released we are SUPPOSED to stop and wait for the judge to signal us to approach and pick up the dog after the out, but at Sieger shows a lot of people don't wait and seem to get away with it. The whole routine goes by in a jiffy. Granted people like myself try to get in, done, and off the field as quickly as possible. No good reason to dawdle.

Failing to engage the helper, leaving the helper, biting anything BUT the sleeve, failing to let out after 3 commands are all disqualifying points. Only the ratings of Vorzuglich (Pronounced) or Vorhanden (Satisfactory) are acceptable for passing the protection portion of the Korung. Nicht Vorhanden (Unsatisfactory) disqualifies the dog. (sorry about my German spelling)

The Kormeister can refuse to award the Korung to any dog he seems not breedworthy. This can be due to the condition of the dog, disqualifying faults, or the overall impression the Kormeister has of a dog. In these cases the dog is recorded as being "Unsurveyed".The decision of the Kormeister on the day of the survey is FINAL. As far as I know there is no appeal process. I can't remember the rules for trying again. I HAVE seen a Kormeister nearly fail a very poorly conditioned female, then change his mind and award a KK2 upon inspecting two good looking pups from the female's last litter, but only once, and it was a long time ago. (Erich Orschler, about 1994-5, San Jose Schutzhund Club) Also, a dog that might be somewhat lacking structurally (G-rated conformation) can still be awarded KK1 "on the merit of his/her performance in the protection phase." This has happened to me.

The lifetime Korung can be awarded 2 years after the first Korung is awarded, same routine. The dog can be upgraded from KK2 to KK1, or down-graded to KK2, depending on the condition the dog is presented in and the protection work, but these are rare occurances. Accidents and injuries, broken teeth, damaged ears, etc. occuring after the initial Korung will not be taken into account, but a letter from a veterinarian explaining such conditions is advisable, as is having a dental notation recorded for the young dog early in life in case something happens later and teeth are damaged/removed.

Hope this helps.
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 Wow you all have been very helpful and I think I will try this kkl thing out. To me it seems way easier than a Schutzhund routine