Liver or Blue pups-Should breederds disclose? - Page 1

We can all agree (I think) that it can be difficult sometimes to tell that a pup is liver or blue. However, I think we can all also agree that an experienced breeder SHOULD be able to discern the difference. My query is this: Are breeders OBLIGATED to disclose that a puppy is blue or liver, and therefore cannot be shown and cannot be bred (IF one is following SV and USA breedings standards and regulations). My query is prompted by a puppy shown on a major breeder's website where a pup that appears liver to me, complete with a pink nose and light eyes, is listed and described as "light red sable." One could, perhaps accurately, call a liver light red and a blue, dusky black and not be entirely inaccurate. But, is it ethical?

Of course they should, especially if the buyer is planning on showing/breeding.  Not everyone has 20 years experience breeding and they may have  never seen a liver or blue.  It doesn't mean that they deserve to be ripped off.

I believe this would fall under the responsibility of the buyer while checking out back ground on the dogs and previos litters. But I believe that a responsible breeder knowing someone was buying a dog to work to the standard would disclose any type of genetic fault they knew of. 

If a blue or liver is sold, the disqualifying fault should be disclosed to the buyer, just like any disqualifying fault discernable at time/age of sale.
It does gripe me sometimes on this board, however, that some people feel "breeder ethics" should include disclosing everything a breeder has ever said, done, won/lost, produced, from a pup with a missing tooth or a soft ear replaced (or not) a decade ago, to the fact that a pup's relative failed to out in a trial once, to the date and location of  their last parking ticket.
I mean really folks... I wouldn't be surprised if someone on this board suggested a potential puppy buyer demand the breeder's SS#, Drivers License #, DOB and signed waiver so they can perform a comprehensive background check prior to considering a litter. Its getting kinda fuzzy about where "disclosure" begins and "none of your G-D business" begins anymore.

SS
-a  little "irked" at having to sign such a waiver before being hired for an $8./hr. P/T job this week. I'm not worried about them finding anything negative, but if I find somebody has interviewed my neighbors about how fast I go down my driveway or inspecting my dry cleaning for a blue dress with a stain on it I'm gonna have a problem with that... :-(

Maybe we should start to question how, where and why each buyer got their previous dogs.  How they died, what they did with the body,  how many other breeders have hung up on you?... etc.   

Bob, Assume, for purposes of discussion, both parents are German lines and appear perfectly normal. Sable sire , B & T dam. Both titled, show rated and one is kkl'd. Other puppies in litter are sable or b &t. Breeder describes liver pup as "Light red sable" on website and the photo also shows the pink nose. Buyer is first-time gsd buyer who does not yet even know blues and livers exist.

Shelley
This has happened in my day as well although some time ago, and they go over the top
I was asked so many questions, some really personal at an interview, i said to the two people a Guy and a Woman
Can i ask you a question they said yes, i said you have missed out a vital question to ask me, they said , what is it
I replied you have not asked me how many times i have Pi--ed today
And i will give you the answer four times todate
Did i get the Job,  'Nah' i did not
Steve

You guys are scaring me.  I'm in the process of filling out applications right now.