"Revier" and "Vorraus" - Page 1

I was wondering which methods you guys prefer on teaching the vorraus as well as the revier (blind search)?

 I am rare on good clubs or trainers arround, so I probably have to do a lot by myself without additional help.  so what would be a good method, if you have to teach these things by yourself? I do not want to train pattern, I really do want my dog to understand the direction I sent him in, as well for the blinds or the vorraus...

I built a sendaway pole, so i started this a little, but it doesn't quite sink in, she darts out and then she starts searching the ground for the toy, when she doesn't see it imediatly. am I going to fast?

then the blind search, better with the ball in it, how to make sure the dog really goes arround? I like o teach it without a helper in the blind, because I am blessed with dogs that don't fall for popping out on one side and run out the other, or tricks like changing blinds when dog not see it.. so i like to teach it more over OB. I may need the directional search off the field, too. and like to ensure i can send her either direction, or arround any blind or tree whatever.

Any good suggestions? I am having a brainfart regarding these two things, I am probably on the right track but don't get it quiet together, what are your experiences? What is yur prefered method???

On the  send out, have you tried to take the dog too far back from the pole,  too soon?  Maybe you are right, you have moved too fast and need to go back to basics.  You know, take the dog to the pole, show her as you drop the toy by the pole then drag her backwards (don't turn her away from the toy, drag her backwards)  maybe just 10 feet while building up, then command and release.  Do that a few million times before you drag her backwards any further.

Personally I think it's easier to only teach one OB thing at a time.  I realize the blind search is during protection, but like you, I think it's easier to teach as an ob exercize.  So if it were me, I would work on the send out  to the point where the dog gets it and is confident, then work on the blind search.  Sometimes I think it's hard to teach two obedience things at the same time because it's confusing (more so for me than the dog, pitifully true).

P.S.  Weirdly, this message board is making me enter something on the "topic line" in order to post to this thread!

I start the sendaway with an allez oop from a 7 week old pup and get it to run out and touch it and  come back for a treat.  Once that is accomplished I just increase the distance. Should be able to 100 yards by the end of a week.

When large enough I put a ball out for the dog (never on the floor)

I train the down separately.

I will then alternate between things depending on what I am training, speed, direction, distance, down, duration of down etc

So I will sometimes ask for a down and go out and reward with a tug, or click and dog comes back to play.  Use a ball dropper and drop it whilst the dog is on the way out, when it arrives, when it downs etc.

I mix it up so the dog does not find it predictable.

Hello

thank you for the replies so far. We are getting problems with the sendaway when we are in mainly different areas, and i din't show her where it is, she stops running after a bit and starts sniffing, Maybe a i need to slowly work her to more distance.... there seems to be a point she has a hard time to pass...

For the Revier. How do you start out? i mean how do you ensure the dog goes arround the blind an not back the same way he came after he picked up the ball? Any little things we need to watch?

Once you send her to the blind make her down (plautz) in the blind then go to the other side of the blind and call her to you from their. Once she does that then you don t have to plautz her in the blind when she goes you hurry to the other side and call her. 

Attach the ball to a bit of line, place the dog in a sit, put ball on ground and pull line.

Gradually place the dog further back so the dog will go round even if you are next to it, if that makes sense.

thank you for them tips, looks like i am on the right track, the down in the blind will be very helfull, I guess i just need to take it slow....

thank you!

Hi,

sorry, I meant to post an answer and accidently opened a new topic "Revier". :-(

Regards

Sabine