Non-conflict schutzhund - Page 1

Hello

Can anyone recommend some books or DVDs about different training philosophies? So far I have done some agility and taught my pup the basics like sit, down, recall using food. My pup is getting to the stage that we want to start some training and we are interested in either schutzhund or PSA. However, we have yet to join a club because I have been a scared off at the few I have visited due to the use of pinch and zap collars.

We have been watching Ivan Balabanov's DVD am very impressed. His methods seem to be what we want to emulate. Does he have any books or DVDs on protection or tracking. I am particularly worried about protection as the trainers i have seen seem to have no patience for the dog and are really quick to use force. IS IT POSSIBLE to train protection without conflict like Balabanov?? If so HOW??

Laura

I tell you what if the dog dose not look like they enjoy it, than find a new club!!!

But than you might be just too sensitive. There is nothing wrong with using different collars, they are a tool, some dogs need harder correction than other. Do not do protection by yourself, or by watching dvd you might mess the dog up more than you think. Find a club or a trainer. Don't join any club you don't feel comfortable with their training approach, but most important don't do protection by yourself with out any one showing you the ropes!!!

There are many trainers, many people have different approach. Some are good some are bad, but the only way you can evaluated is by watching different trainers. There is a threat hear about table training, some people find it highly abusive and barbarian, but some people stand by it. There are no wrong training method in my opinion, there are only bad trainers!!!

Good luck.

Thanks. I would never attempt train protection by myself, NO, NO. But i want to find a trainer that is not unnecessarily harsh. Is this possible?? Or are they all macho men trying to do a rough day's work?? Really no offense to anyone but we women seem to negotiate rather than fight. Similarly, I was wondering if there are protection trainers out there who prefer to use psychology instead of force to bring out the best in dogs. Just wonderin. 

Part of the protection is psychology. There are trainers out there that try to prove they better than dogs, stay away from those. Good trainer will try to bring the best out of the dog, without being too harsh on the dog. But is hard to say what you call harsh :). Like I said you might be just too sensitive. :) You have to keep in mind that you dog don't have the right stuff for protection that is why it is so important to have someone evaluate your dog. Where are you located? If we know where there are people on this board that will be able to direct you to the right trainers.

best thing to do is first educate your self  a little bit by watching and rweading books of the best trainers in the buisness.people like well you can get Gottfried Dildi and Shiela Booth book and vedios great stuff,also Bernard Flinks is another one you can buy the tapes from Ed Frawley.between these two you would have more than enough good info and knowlge to star with.thing to remember is make sure you read and watched the vedio as many times as it takes to understand the concepts and reasoning behind those concepts.you will be surprised the knowldge u will gain. good luck and have a nice. ps make sure u learn from these guys first before u start going to any shutzhund clubs.these guys are the best of the best and if you can not learn anything fom these guys,you might as well give up all togather.

I would try to see if there are any other clubs or breeders in your area doing training.  At the club I go to pinch and electronic collars are NOT the first choice in training - they are used only if necessary and it's based on the individual dog's need for strong correction.  There are a few dogs that respond to just verbal correction from their handlers and I think most of the dogs have fur saver collars on.  The thing I like best about where I train is that everyone is helpful and looks at the individual dog/handler combination and makes suggestions based on what the team needs to work on.

The funniest dog I saw work was absolutely stunning on the field - huge, strong grip and knocked the helper over on the courage test.  That dog was so ball focused that after he left the field he was checking all the kids out trying to find a ball!  He thought all the toys were his and wanted to play!  Every dog is different and a good trainer will help you bring out your dogs strengths.

Opal

I have looked at several training technique's, I started years ago with William Koehler.

I have taken what I have seen and read and made my own choice's as to what to use .

I do not do Schutzhund just to be honest.   But my dog's do what I want them to do. 

You can't train a high drive intelligent dog without some heavy handed method, but I agree some of what I've seen over the year's is wrong and tends to rush too fast and is too limited as to what the dog actually learn's.  Force is never good.

Mainly to me you must have the dog's attention and trust, you must be patient and think ahead.

I'd suggest finding a trainer but never leave the dog with anyone.  You must be there and be a part of the training.

If you don't have the time, or interest, buy a lap dog.

"You can't train a high drive intelligent dog without some heavy handed method, but I agree some of what I've seen over the year's is wrong and tends to rush too fast and is too limited as to what the dog actually learn's.  Force is never good."

  what???????????

what? what?

"You can't train a high drive intelligent dog without some heavy handed method, but I agree some of what I've seen over the year's is wrong and tends to rush too fast and is too limited as to what the dog actually learn's.  Force is never good."

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