Buying a titled dog for breeding?? - Page 1

Why is it that people criticize breeders that buy titled dogs?  I do not understand why it is so important that breeders title their own dogs.  What is wrong with buying a titled dog and breeding it, IMO if he/she already is titled and x-rayed, what is the big deal?  I'm just trying to understand this a little better.  Thank you in advance for honest opinions. 

Sometimes the journey is more important than getting to the destination. A person learns a lot by training their dog  that can’t be learned about the dog by looking at number in a scorebook.  

it;s a sore subject.

Chris is very right. Jurney is the thing that matters rather than the final result. Plus how can you asset a true vaue of a dog if you wasn't there from a day one? I am not against it but I think if you a breeder you shoud fallow through all the way not just buy the fiInal product. I personaly like breeders that train their own dogs I have way more respect for people like that. But that just my opinion, and is more likely not worth a lot in a sceam of things.

The problem I see personally is too many people that have no Training, knowledge, understand about this great breed buy title dogs just to turn around and sell high dollar puppies. That in my mind is just as bad as a back yard breeder - just out for the money.

Buying a title dog is not a bad thing if you know about this great breed and are skilled in the training. You should know how to work the dog and up keep the training. I see too many titled dogs that are bought that are kenneled and breed until they can not be bred any longer and sold. Owners have no clue on how to train the dog but looking at thier website you would think they do. Too many new owners do not know better.

I think a owner who titles their own dogs are more aware of their dogs pluses and minus. And are more indepth in thier breeding programs as they understand what they need to add to the litter to improve the drives, temperametn, structure over all breed vs someone (not trained or skilled )that buys a titled female and breeds for the predigree.

Again I am not knocking the experience owners and trainers about buying titled dogs 

 it is the "new" kennels that pop up and in a years time they have gone from one dog to nine dogs all are titled but again they have no clue on what it took to get those titles and how to maintain them. This the so call "breeders" I have a problem with.

Christopher you are so right. Training is the fun of it, the time for bonding and getting to know your dog.  Not just looking at your  dog as $$$$$$$$ signs.

Again this is my Personal opinion.

EK

There can be many different reasons for going one way or the other, similar to buying a puppy vs. a young adult; there are pros and cons for each.

What about top competing handlers that take pre-titled dogs?  Would you criticize Mike Deihl because Erri z Blatenskeho zamku wasn't HOT by him?  Doesn't make him a lesser handler by any means, OR a knowledgeable breeder (no disrespect intended).  I'm curious to know if the dog "clicks" with him any better or worse than his previous handler.

Some breeders even feel that training & trialing has NOTHING to do with breeding, but if trialing doesn't, training certainly does in my view.  I don't view the competitions as a bad thing, unfortunately they are not a very level playing field for making breeding decisions.

EK, I couldnt agree more.

So many people who have bought titled dogs will then advertise them as being "high drive." I'm sure the vast majority of these dogs are NOT high drive, but the new owners don't realize this because they've never seen or trained a high drive dog.

Then someone looking for a schutzhund puppy thinks they're getting a top prospect because the parents are titled, high drive dogs.  And that puppy end up being average at best.  I've seen it happen.

Also, if you're not an experienced trainer there are a lot of flaws that can be hidden with good training.  But if you do the training yourself you'll know your dog inside and out.

I think if someone buys an already titled dog and actually works it and trials it they will have excellent knowledge of what the dog brings to the table for breeding!  I have no issue with this.  I purchased a titled dog but I also have different training methods as the person who owned the dog previous.  I have learned alot from this dog and he has also learned some things from me that are different.  I have made training mistakes with the dog and then learned how to fix them.  It is a great learning process!  

But to just buy a dog for stud and not ever work or trial the dog and only using it for breeding.....I think you don't have as good knowledge as what the dog brings to the table.  Sure, you can be told what the dog produces and you can make all these fancy tables and charts but that will never tell you what the dog truely can do or the genetics he will pass on or give you knowledge of what that dogs working characteristics are!

But bottom line is....I guess we should be grateful they are titled dogs vs. untitled dogs.....sigh!

Vickie

www.PowerHausKennels.com

Not every dog can be titled so a breeder has to work with many dogs to get that 1 special dog, the reality is that the breeders are very busy and dont have time to spend on training 100 dogs to get that 1 dog, in that case he wont be able to train.

Breeders get faster result from buying and breeding from a titled dog. This result is benefited by us.