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can i have some info from your expert advice about canine red cell for my s 11 months old male gsd and 8 months old female gsd.i want to now if its a good source of vitamins.

I'm certainly no expert, what is cannine red cell?

Hi guy's...:)

Red Cell has been around for a long time.  Its an Iron-B Vitamin Supp., used as a supplement and for Anemia.   I remember dog conditioners adding Red Cell and Clovite to their dog's feed way back in the day.  The Canine Red Cell came later, and is really a weaker version of the original equine Red Cell.  If I was going to  feed the Red Cell for anemia or as a supp, I would use the original equine version.

Thanks Abhay,

You know your stuff...LOL

Alexgilma,

How are your dog's doing?

Brent.

When I got my rescue out of Miami-Dade Care and Control, I took over 300 ticks off of him. He had erlichiosis and was near death. It took several months of doxy  and other antibiotics before I knew whether he would live. I fully believe the canine red cell helped save his life, or atleast gave him some strength so he could fight. I don't know if it is good as a daily supplement, but to help depleted dogs, it is great.

Have to disagree with Abhay.  There's a reason canine red cell is a different formulation than equine.  The concentrations of non-water-soluble vitamins (A & E for instance) are different in the formulations.  As you know, it is possible to overdose on this type of vitamin.  When you feed massive overdoses of Vit. A & E, not to mention iron, selenium, copper, and the rest in equine red cell, you're not doing your dog any favors.

TessJ10, When I post about any supp or med, its because I have a lot of hands on experience with said subject.  I have been helping or in charge of conditioning top canine performance athletes since the mid 60's.  I assure you, it would be all but impossible to OD a dog with the vitamins in Equine Red Cell.  To be honest, neither the equine or canine are very strong products.  Through the years without exaggeration, I have seen hundreds of canines on Equine Red Cell, and have probably used it a hundred times myself.

For a 60lb dog, 6,000 IU of Vit A is adequate.  For a hard working, injured, sick, post surgery etc dog, the requirement would of course be much, much more.  As a carnivore the canine can withstand large amounts of Vit A, as in the wild they would actually eat the liver of other animals.  If your concerned about Vit E and your dog's blood thinning, it isn't going to happen.

Why I prefer the Equine version is that, Magnesium is a very underrated supp.  It is synergistic with Calcium and Zinc.  So very important for working or healing canines.  The Canine Red Cell has no Magnesium what so ever.  The Canine version has only half the Potassium, and half the Folic Acid.  The amounts are so small anyway, that feeding half would really be more of a waste of time.  The B-12 in Red Cell may help to stimulate the appetite a little, but once again the amounts are so low that injectable B-12 would be light years better.

In truth, one can feed some beef or pork liver and get much more nutrients, minerals, and of course much needed Protein than in any stinky Red Cell.  There is no supplement, be it liquid, powder, or tabs and caps that can compare to Food. 

Vitamin E does not make a dog's blood "thin."  And eating the liver "in the wild" which dogs have not been for 50,000 years is a different thing: wild canids don't eat a liver full of Vitamin A every day.  If a pack kills something, you think every dog in the pack gets to eat the liver? And if it's a solo kill of a rabbit or other very small animal - well, not much to that liver, is there?

People tend to over-supplement.  Giving equine red cell every day because "in the wild" a dog eats part of a wild animal once every several days (if it's lucky) isn't sound reasoning. 

I'm sure with great experience one can tinker - I know pretty much what I'm doing with supplements myself (have to laugh at people on here touting "I've raised dogs for 20 years!"  Pffft.  AMATEURS!  LOL!)

It also makes sense for the average owner not to use a product on a 50-100 lb. animal when that product is specifically formulated for a 1200-lb. animal.  Jes' sayin'.