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by HighDesertGSD on 29 October 2008 - 18:10

I want to know if the West German line, as opposed to the DDR line, is common in the Czech Republic.

My brother-in-law grew up in then Czechoslovakia and still has relatives in the Czech Republic. I think possibly they may have leads for GSD’s in the Czech Republic.

I don’t like the DDR line of GSD's. I prefer the more familiar West German line.  

I want to know if the West German line is also very popular in the Czech Republic. Do terms like SchH1,2,3 and KKL1, a stamp for hips, pink paper etc apply in the Czech Republic?

Is it a good idea to hope to find West German line GSD’s in the Czech Republic to bring into the USA?

Thanks

 


darylehret

by darylehret on 29 October 2008 - 22:10

You can even find West German showlines in the Czech Republic, if that's what you want. Czech and Slovak titles (ZVV & SVV) are the same and breed surveys are nearly alike, and roughly equivalent to German titles, but you will often find IPO titles on living residents that compete internationally under the guidelines of the FCI, with a combination of SchH, ZVV, and SVV titles in their ancestry.

Particular West workinglines are common with local crosses, it would depend on what you want, and you can get FCI papers on imports.

It's a better idea to simply determine what exactly you want, and locate the exact bloodlines known for consistently producing those traits, wherever they may be found, regardless of country of origin.

Adhering to labels of "DDR", "Czech", "West" or whatever is a limited way of thinking, or breeding "100% Czech" puppies that are a combination of DDR/West/Czech lines and whelped inside the USA is a paradox for marketing appeal.


by HighDesertGSD on 30 October 2008 - 02:10

How does it works?

Does SV sponsore shows in the Czech Republic?

Do titles like KKL1, V or SG rating, "a" stamp for hips, "pink paper" SchH or IOP apply for Czech dogs?

Is the FCI an internationalized version of SchH or SV?

Would anyone provide a few articles that will clarify things for me?

Thanks

Sis says her hubby still has many friends and relatives in Prague. I don't know how much people in Prague are into the GSD and how likely it is to find someone who knows Czech GSD's well.


darylehret

by darylehret on 30 October 2008 - 04:10

A single dog may be recognized by multiple registries.  Your European dogs can be admitted for AKC registry in the US, and the only real point of having pink papers would be for exporting your litters internationally (often, more trouble than its worth, especially with the US dollar comparatively low), or just another advertising gimmick.  The AKC and FCI recognize registries from Germany (SZ,DDR), Czech (ev. č.,ČKSP,ČKS,ČsHPK,ČMKU) and Slovak (SKSP, SHPK) registries, and Czech registries admit other European registries, but the SV allowing Czech registries seems a rarity (Gent od Policie. for example).

The FCI hip ratings are A,B,C,D, and E (some breeds are A1,A2,B1,B2, etc.) while A,B,and C are permitted for breeding and roughly the equivalents of Germany's a1, a2, and a3, respectively.  The FCI is international, but the USA is not a member.  It's working title of IPO 1 through 3 is essentially the same as the SV's SchH 1 through 3 titles.

Some of the better known breed stations also act as brokers for smaller operations, such as Jinopo in the Czech Republic, and Eurosport in the Slovak Republik, both of which have stateside operants established.  There are also many other US brokers that regularly travel to Europe to make thier own selections, with a solid network of clientelle already in place.

In your case, I would guess it's probably a better idea to take your time and study the breed's bloodlines, health and working evaluation methods, breeding strategies, and the current state of competition, because having an "in" with a relative who may or may not know dogs is simply not enough to ensure success.

Assuming you've pursued this idea a little further, what do you suppose are a few of the more common West workingline influences/producers found in current Czech breeding?  If you don't have any immediate responses, don't wait too long for someone else to provide all the answers.  If there were a set formula for doing something, it probably wouldn't be worth doing.


by Held on 30 October 2008 - 17:10

Ihave never come across any czech breeders who are strictly breeding west german lines.specialy working lines.however some of the good czech breeders have used west german working lines succesfully.but if you are interested in west german lines why not go to west germany .have a nice one.


by HighDesertGSD on 31 October 2008 - 01:10

One reason that I am not overlooking the Czech Republic has been stated.

The other is that the Czech Republic has a per capita GNP that is a fraction that of Germany (about half). Does this generally factor into the local price of everything? I tend to think so. I think perhaps that localized sale may mean lower price still. A dog can be purchased as local sale and then shipped to me. No? 

I may end up getting a dog from Germany, though. Or the USA, may be it will be more and more a buyer's market for imported German dogs, more and more so as the economy gets worse before it gets better. 

I understand more now. The Czech Republic, even with  a population of only about 10 mil, has a robust German Shepherd Dog club comparable to SV, and has its own titles and rating system and terminology.

Does a GSD have to have lived in Germany to be registered in SV?






 


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