"Lost" Belgium Registration...anyone familar with Belgium Registration? - Page 1

My dog was imported from Belgium in 2004, I obtained him in the USA a few months ago.  His papers have been "lost" by the kennel who had him because I complained that the dog was in poor health (have vet statement to back up what I'm saying) and it pissed the person with the papers off as they claim to run a top knotch, legit kennel.  The papers remain in the name of the breeder in Belgium.  He was not willing to get replacement papers when I called him.  Is there any way I can obtain papers for my dog?  A lot of time and money has been invested in recovery and we're starting Schutzhund and I want his papers.  I was promised his papers upfront.  I would be willing to forgive and try to forget the kennel who let him get so sick if they would release my papers.  I did apologise to everyone involved for getting angry.  At any rate, does anyone know anything about the Belguim registry and if I can get replacement papers?  I think the breeder of my dog is fairly well known, so maybe if anyone from here knows him, they could help me out.  I'm desperate here.  I was promised papers and I want them.  He's a tremendous dog who's been through a lot and he deserves his papers as promised.  Any advice appreciated.  Thanks in advance!

NWilz

How is it that the person you bought the Dog from in the USA has not registered the Dog in his name if he bought it from Belgium. and how come you bought the Dog on that basis, that does not make sense to me

then you say the original Breeder in Belgium will not give another set of  the Papers

Sorry, but they only have the one set of papers with any Dog, so if he gave them to the person you bought the dog from then he will have to apply for another set and that can be difficult and time consuming

If  say i had bought the Dog myself and i went to look at it,

If i did not see that all was in order with the said Kennel and envioment, i would have walked right out of the Gate without even looking at the Dogs, but then thats my way

But here is the address in Belgium you can try but i think it an hopeless task for the breeder is the only one to help you or if he has them the person who sold you the Dog

Koninklike Maatschappij , Sint Hubertus v.z.w

Avenue Giraudlaan, 98. Brussel

1030 Brusexlles, Belgium

Tel 02/245.48.40

Fax 02/245.87.90

The post code from Europe is 0032 i do not know from where you are but i think the same delete the 0 infront of the 2

Website www.kmsh.be

www.srsh.be

Steve

Steve,

The original papers are the ones that are lost, the USA buyer never bothered to have them put in her name so the papers are still in the breeder's (in Belgium) name.  It's a long complicated story.  I saw the dog, knew he was in trouble, and got him with a promise to be mailed the papers.  Of course, now the papers are "lost"

The breeder in Belgium told me to contact the Importer, so I did and all he could tell me was that the papers went with the dog when he sold him.  The dog belonged to a private owner who supposedly took him to a supposedly very nice kennel for 6 months thinking he would have a better life and released the papers to her.  Obvious, he didn't have a better life....as he was quite sick when I got him.  So she contacted me as I'd been in contact with her before the dog went to kennel and she expressed concern over the condition the dog had got in at the kennel.  I agreed to take him, sight unseen (not realizing he was so sick), and when I saw him, I couldn't turn away.  I'm not a breeder, just a private owner, and I'm now very attached to this dog and since he's recovered he's becoming my Schutzhund dog.

Thanks for the help, Steve.  I will try those links and see what happens. 

Please wish me luck all as this dog is very important to me and with him being my first Schutzhund dog, I want his papers as I was promised.  It's truly amazing how attached to a dog you become when nursing one back to health.

NWilz

Well you have upset the one person who can help you, and that is the kennel you got the Dog from

Now if this person is being nasty because you said the Dog was in poor condition when you got it, my guess will be that this same person may be a greedy one,

Write a letter and offer them a small sum of Monry to obtain the papers

But if they agree make an appointment and check the papers first then pass over the money

I know it goes against the grain by paying more money but it will be your best option i think

Other than that i really do not know, if one person at the kennel has the original papers they are by rights the Dogs owner, and i cannot see any organisaion passing out more at least not without a Personal letter to them explaining the situation by the original Breeder

 i wish you luck, in the meantime you still have to train the dog when it is fit enough to do so,

and that will not be done in two minutes so you have time enough to try for the papers before he gets to the stage of needing then

Steve

 And I have already told this person that papers are not required for SchH. If the dog is registered with AKC for an ILC, then the dog will have a number and the dog can compete. Of course, one cannot breed a dog with an ILC.

Well the breeding part might be a problem hoodie :) bills got to be paid :)

Snaiper

You suprise me, Surely you are not saying that because you own a G.S Dog that the only reason to have him is to breed with it to pay the Bills

If this is the practise which goes on over in your country, then it is not suprising the many posts on here of ill health and bad Joints are prevalent

For me a Dog is just that, a Good Companion, and with me an interest in the Schutzund Sport, nothing else

If i have to keep a Dog to breed with it to pay the bills it costs to own the animal, then i would give it away to a good home who could look after it better than i

Steve

Hodie

Over here you have to apply for a Score book etc if you want to enter competitions etc and they also want to see a Registration of Ownership in form of the Dogs Pedigree signed over to you, before they give it

I guessed it was the same over there but it seems not so

Steve

NW

Give it a try with the prior owner of the kennel, you cannot lose anything by doing it only a little time

Steve the more I come to this web side the more I loose faith in humans :) I keep my dogs as a companions, I don't breed :) I don't care much about papers even though all my dogs have it. :) Nwilz I wasn't even saying that this is what you are into. You sound like someone that tried to do right by the dog. And I don't pass judgment of any kind on you. Sorry if that sounded that way :).

One does NOT need papers to get an ILC and that ILC DOES ALLOW one to get a scorebook for Schutzhund, AND do a CGC. As for breeding, I will bet money that this dog will be bred......Why? Because this person has it all planned and it is not exactly as she says. She made a lot of errors in taking the dog, and whether any part of the story is or is not true remains to be seen.

And Steve1, yes, in this country, sadly, it is often only about money and nothing else. I can get a scorebook for any dog to participate in SchH. If I wanted to SHOW a dog in a CONFORMATION show, assuming a valid and not bogus organization (and there are several), I could NOT do that without appropriate registration papers as issued by an FCI recognized organization. In the United States, the only such registry is the American Kennel Club (AKC).

So, the paper issue, if indeed all this person wants is to enjoy her dog and do some sort of activity, is a non-issue. Who knows what really went on between her and the kennel and the original owner and the breeder. This is, unfortunately, one of the many "he said/she said" type disputes that surface on this board. People do not do their homework and they find themselves in a hole. Sometimes it is impossible to dig out of that hole. Who knows if the dog even really had real registration papers? Just because someone says it did does not make it so. We see that here too all the time.

My final advice: Get an ILC from the AKC and enjoy your dog.