Vertex or K9 Super Fuel - Page 1

For those of you that give your dogs a performance suppliment. Which one do you prefer...Vertex or K9 Super fuel?

I tried K9 superfuel and really didn't notice a difference, plus my dog really didn't care for it in his food.  I plan on trying vertex.

Used both of them, only notice is some weight gain.  Dogs eat it fine.  Like the k9superfuel for after exercise in hot weather, especially when doing an AD - seems to give them a boost.  Pups do good on superfuels puppy gold formula too.

My dogs love the Superfuel. I do notice a remarkable difference in stamina and muscle mass. Plus John is a super ncie guy who really cares about the dogs and helping to improve thieir performance and health. 

I posted that I was not happy with the results of Vertex, and the owner of the company ( actually it is made out of his house) called me and threatened me for making a negitave comment, so I will not comment, however we use a different suppliment now.

Jeff Turner

K9 Solutions Center

www.dopedog.com

I won some Vertex at my club's raffle.  I gave it a try to see if it does any better than my usual supplement - Nupro Silver.  Honestly, I'm ambivalent, and I'm going back to Nupro Silver once it's used up.  I'm not saying it's bad, just don't see any benefit vs my tried and true Nupro

Years ago, I met the Gentleman who puts out the Vertex.  He was very knowledgable about both human and canine nutrition.  I must say, he was also very dedicated to his products. I knew of his experience with performance dogs, and I really enjoyed our conversation. I would have to speak to him and inquire if the Vertex contains dextrose. Dextrose is glucose, but I would like to find out if Vertex has both maltodextrin and dextrose.

 Just at a quick glance, I would say the Vertex would be better. It would depend if Vertex had the synergistic Dextrose-Maltodextrin stack.

An outstanding study, tested the digestive effects of two substrates (any substance acted upon by an enzyme) as opposed to only one substrate in the small intestine. What they found was quite fascinating. The solution containing two substrates stimulated the activation of more transport mechanisms in the intestinal lumen, than did its singular counterpart.

i bought superfuel but ordered it but mistake as i do not want my dogs gaining weight as they are not active do you know anyone that would wantto buy it from me as i have no clue what web i ordered it from and no one will refund it unless i have a slipping ship or if i know where i got it from .  i woul duse it but i do not want my dogs gaining weight they are on k9 joint strong

I use both, I believe they are two different supplements and not intended for the same sort of use.  I give Vertex to all of my dogs, in their food as a daily supplement.  I use K9 Superfuel in water, after training when dogs are tired and just had a workout, to provide electrolytes and make the water taste like chicken baste - they drink more water and it gives them a boost, helps keep muscles working well and reduces muscle fatique and soreness (or seems to).  I recommend both products.

molly

In the 80's Bob Fritz  formed the canine supplement company APRL.  The products were popular with and more or less made for hard working APBT's.  ADBA Bench Show competitors are trained much like body builders and come into competition ripped and shredded. Many Weight Pull dogs are trained down to make a certain weight much like human HS and College Wrestlers. 

The products had some name changes and some variations through the years, but the Super Fuel is just a more advanced formula of the original Peak Performance. Now the old APRL products carry the name "Animal Naturals" and are sold at http://www.k9power.com/

Back in the day, both the owner of Canine Performance Nutrition, and his Vertex http://www.k9performance.com/, as well as the owner of Canine Nutrition International, and his rf1,  http://getcni.com/crel-615/index.php were in with Bob Fritz and APRL.  First the owner of CPN broke away and formed his own company, and then the owner of CNI broke away and formed his own as well.

 The Super Fuel, The Vertex, and the RF1, are all in competition with each other.  Ideally each product is made to feed the hard working canine Post-workout when your dog's body is a literal sponge... In a highly catabolic state it will soak up anything you give it! 

During the post-workout phase of training your dog's body is in a hypoglycemic stage. Blood-sugar and insulin levels have drastically dropped. Immediately following exercise natural GH concentrations struggle to increase as insulin levels try to rebound from its current highly catabolic state. You have 30min post workout to give your dog the nutrition it needs at this oh so important time.
  
At this time transport is of ultimate importance. Fructose replenishes Liver glycogen and should not be used. Dextrose and Maltodextrin are supreme for the job of replenishing Muscle glycogen.

 To see the greatest results from the use of these products, the dog must be worked hard enough to be in a catabolic state.  Most GSD's will never be worked this hard.  Its like a human who takes the best supplements under the sun, but hardly trains. His results will be minimal if any at all. This same human, if trained hard to fatigue and muscle failure, and then fed the best supps at the proper times, will reap dramatic positive results.

 All I can tell you, is the product works its best on a subject who has been worked hard.