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Administrator please ban this person he has been telling lies about my dog all over the internet

We don't ban people because of something they do all over the internet just what they do here.

And who the heck is this Mr. Patch he keeps referring to, anyway? That's not the name of the owner of record for this dog. It's way too early in the game for this witch-hunt, IMO.

I mean, I can understand how upsetting it has to be for someone who used a dog on the purported SV list to breed with their female, and how upsetting it has to be for someone who owns such a dog but had no knowledge of any fraudulent titling or judge's qualifications--but it really seems to me that so far, the only thing that's come out about this whole situation is the name of the person who allegedly is not an approved SV judge, and a spreadsheet with a hell of a lot of dog's names, owners, breeders, titling dates, and registration numbers on it.  Does anyone know if the dogs on that list actually DID participate in a trial on the date shown there? Does anyone know if the claim is that these trials were held in Serbia, or was the unapproved judge brought into other countries from Serbia to judge trials? Was this judge EVER an approved SV judge? Is this person an approved judge under a system and registry OTHER than the SV?

As far as I can see, the answer to all of the above questions at the moment is "Who knows?"  I'm sure that the subject is being discussed on the German language GSD sites, but my grasp of German isn't sufficient to do more than get a context of what's being said there, so that's of no help.

It's sad, overall, because I think there are probably a lot of people who are going to be hurt by this, through no fault of their own; potefantastico, you need to 'hold your horses', as the saying goes, and see what facts shake out, before you make accusations like this.

[And no, I don't know the owner of this dog, or of any of the others on that list, I don't breed dogs, I don't have any dogs that have the dogs on that list in their pedigrees, and I don't have any stake in this game. I just think the way this is all coming out is so piecemeal and incomplete that it's not fair to start jumping people on the matter until one knows whether those people were even aware of what took place.]

Oh, foo...I guess I shouldn't have bothered responding to the new thread potefantastico had started using this dog's name in the title, since it got deleted, and my point there disappeared. 

But anyway, my point there was that potefantastico mentions people having seen this dog in the US in May, June, July of 2013--but the list that is purportedly from the SV indicates that the IPO3 title said dog had recorded under this Serbian 'non-judge' was done on April 7, 2013, and NOT on July 4, 2013. That spreadsheet is NOT using the standard Euro form of writing a date, the day/month/year order, but instead uses the standard North American format of month/day/year. You can confirm this because really, there are only twelve months in a year, so it's not possible for a dog that's listed underneath this dog's entry to have been recorded as getting a BH on the fourth day of the twentieth month of the year!

How are we even sure that this list that's circulating is even an official SV-issued document? There's no seals, no official letterhead, no official signatures...

The posting on here has attacked pato under several different names on several different websites. He is so misinformed it's sad. I am the owner of pato di Zenevredo and he did not even know that lol. He is criticizing Pato for having his hips and elbows in Italy but he does not even know that Pato was born in raised in Itsly . You can not take a person Croatian seriously when they will not post under there own name yet several aliases. My attorneys are working with Facebook and pedigree database to get this persons info so they can be served with a slander/  liability lawsuit for attacking my property Respectfully Michael Carroll. I am also asking the administrator to bar this person from pedigree database as they were warned about these false posts which were removed yesterday

In addition to everything else this person posting all this information does not know what the dogs nationality of birth, the owner of the dog or that the judge that was suspende operated with SV approval for 6 years and that over 900 dogs were affected. From my understanding the issue is that after he was suspended by the Bosnian Club he transferred to at he Croation Club which the SV says is not FCI certified & the Croatian Club disputes this. There are hundreds of dogs in the USA & Europe and thousands  of dollars involved for each dog.TheiPo titles ihas nothing to do alleged paper titles but the SV failure to exercise due diligence allowing him to be sanctioned at there trials for 6 years.

This guy is a fraud, he has some sort of problem with me.(steve Patch), he is probably someone that showed against Pato in the ring and saw nothing but Patos ass.I finaly got this num nuts to responed to me on a private measage.He know all he wrote, is lies, he's just trying to get to me.I just wish this COWARD would tell me who he really is.But he won't.He's a LOOSER and will always be a LOOSER.I guess it really bothers this guy always looking at Pato from behind, get used to it pal.Now why not just crawl back under the rock you crawled out from and disapear, no one wants to hear your ranting and made up stories.And when you grow a set of testies tell us who you are. But I think I already know.Just another Wanabe breeder going no where fast. 

The fuuny thing about all this , is that all these dogs affected by this judge is because the judge wasn't recgonized , and was suspended.this nut is claiming all these hundreds of dogs had fake titles.Crazy. some dogs we're VA dogs from Germany, yet shit head says nothing about that.It's just a personnal attack against me. And for what he won't even tell me why.or who Potbellyfantastico really is.See you in the ring.. That's where I do my Talking.Injoy the view from behind.. 

everyone is free to express opinions and if you have all the evidence and acknowledge inorder post them lies only say poor people using duck without saver truth be honest breeders pseudo UNDERSTAND AFFECTING THE RACE

Prove who wrong? Everywhere you post you hide behind a fake name lol. The burden of proof is on you and when we go to court you will need to prove your accusations or pay