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Hi Gaby
I hope that you and your family are well. I wrote a couple of months to tell you that Frida, Flora and Fofola has skin problems. All of them have suffered episodes of demodex. Frida was demodex in the head at 9 months, Flora was demodex in the muzzle at 7, and at 10, in the top of the head, ears and neck. Right now Frida and Flora has demodex again and Fofola continue with skin problems. The veterinarian told me that it better to euthanize because the treatment with ivermectin is not for long periods. Let me know if you offer warranty if your dog has demodex. I send a lot of messages with no response.
Take care
Larry

If you are breeding colors and temperament that are disqualified by standard, I am not surprised.

Usually a sign the dogs are not being fed a good diet. Poor diet shows up as a skin problem, demodex mange. Some vets including yours do not understand the mange is brought on by a depressed immune system and try to fight it topically. Topically doesn't work and neither will antibiotics as they depress the immune system further. Ivermectin will clean a dog out but that's not your and not going to fix it long term.

Give the dogs a chance to heal themselves with a good diet and supplements. Any vet that recommends euthanizing a dog when they don't know the problem and how to treat it is not a vet I would continue going to. This vet has shunned the problem off on the ol' genetic issue problem as vets do when they can't explain what's going on.

You may have a genetic issue but you need to give the dog a chance first. Raw diet with supplements and 3 weeks from now you will know what you have. Put a little MTG on the spots for now to help the process and write back in a month.

I am no expert on demodex, but I have done a fair bit of research on the matter. Is demodex not typically outgrown unless the dog has an immune problem? Don't episodes typically cease after about 10 months, again, in the absence of a genetic immune disorder or environmental factor causing the problem?

I sent a message to Gaby on working-dog.eu to be sure she sees this in case she doesn't want puppies euthanized over demodex.

Sounds like localized v. generalized. Yes they can outgrow it. Don't feed a cheap food with tons of carbs in it and let them mature. Breeding would be another decision. Perhaps a pet home is best. Putting them down though sounds a bit extreme from your description.

The pups referenced are but three out of a litter of eight--so one wonders if the other five pups have had any evidence of demodectic mange to date [the litter was a year old as of 9/27/2015].

I'm sure the OP knows that virtually all dogs have a small population of demodex mites inhabiting the hair follicles on the face and elsewhere on their body, and these generally cause absolutely no symptoms.

I agree with the comments above that the OP really should be looking (a) for a different vet, as any vet who would suggest euthanizing these youngsters strictly due to their issues with demodex; and (b) at the factors in how the dogs are being kept, fed and cared for which could cause sufficient stress to the animals that their immune system is reacting to the presence of the demodex mites.

Are the pups being fed a good quality diet? Are they being kept in appropriate housing that provides them relief from the heat and dampness of the Puerto Rican climate? Are the young dogs groomed regularly to ensure the dead hair and dander is removed from their coats in a timely fashion? These dogs are double-coated, after all, so a hot, humid climate isn't really the ideal circumstance for them to thrive, but with good management GSDs can certainly live happy, healthy and long lives in warmer parts of the world.

Are they being kept in a setting where any bedding is clean and free of parasites at all times? Is their area kept clean and DRY, so they aren't lying in dampness? Are they given sufficient exercise, both physically and mentally? Are other dogs permitted to harass or intimidate these dogs? Do they receive individual attention from the OP and/or his family members or employees?

Excellent Hexe.

We have 21 gs. Seven of them are from Majoruv. The other four from majoruv doesn't has any health issues. I follow all the vet indications. Change the food a lot of times, baths with amitraz, antibiotics, ivermectin, differents environment. Three vets told me the same treatment and the results are negative. The only that helps is the ivermectin and Cephalexin.

Only out of interest-what are you doing with 21 GSDs, and with 3 littermates?

I'd rehome at least one of the 3 into a regular home just to be sure it's not environmental-and I'd change the vet...

im amazed at peoples responses, the absolute minimum this man deserves after buying seven dogs from same breeder, is a response from breeder when something doesnot go as planned.