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Hello

I have a 3 years old American pit bull red nose that I bought online (Calizoo) in Feb 2011. I currently live in Montreal and the company I work for has offered a great job in Paris where the law for owning a Pitbull is very strict.

One of the conditions to give me permission to bring my dog to Paris is if I can prove that he is a pure breed. They are asking for a Pedigree (or a declaration of birth) which I don't have and I lost the contact of the person that sold me the dog.

I will not give my dog away. If it comes down to choosing this great career opportunity or my dog I will unfortunately have to refuse the job. 

Can anyone please let me know what my options are here? Is there a way to obtain a Pedigree now?

He is the sweetest Dog. castrated since he was 6 months old. he is socialized with humans and dogs since 2 months old. he goes to the dog park every day and I never had an incident with him. He is really not a danger to anyone or anything...

thank you

Without papers from the breeder of this dog, I doubt you will be able to find anything to satisfy the law in France. Looks like you have decisions to make about your future, good luck.

RJH, you can get a PEN number from the CKC (Performance Event Number). You need a vet to sign a document stating that in his/her opinion, the dog is a purebred pit bull, and confirming it is neutered. Go to the CKC website for more info.http://www.ckc.ca/  Unfortunately, the website is down right now.

If they don't accept this, I don't know what else to suggest...  :(

Anyway, they send you a very official looking letter, which just might do the trick. The equivalent certificate in the States is the ILP.  Here's Ranger's PEN number, with the identifying information removed:

 

Thank you Sunsilver!!

the document looks pretty official, i will definitely try it.. (When the website goes back on)

the information that was given to me by the French consulate in Montreal is the following:

vous devrez impérativement produire une déclaration de naissance ou de pedigree délivrée par la société centrale canine du pays d'origine des chiens

If I translate to english:

You must provide a declaration of birth or a pedigree issued by the canine central society of the country of origin of the dog.

i realy hope they will accept the document issued by the Canadian Kennel Club..

thanks again.. I appreciate your help!!

Only three years old and you lost contact with the breeder? 

hmmm. Red flag.

I never mentioned that I got him from a breeder.. I said i bought him online from a classified ads website called calizoo .ca (which seems to be down now) and I referred to the seller as "the person that sold me the dog" and not the breeder.

so the person that sold me the dog was a pitbull owner that had his dog mated and got 2 puppies out of the litter which he later sold and yes I lost this guys contact. 

I wish I had more informative help to offer you but just wanted to say good luck. It sounds like you have provided a good life for him. Hope you two move to Paris together!

So, even if you did have the contact info, it would be hard to prove the dog was a purebred pitbull, as the parents likely did not have papers?

In that case, the PEN number is your best bet. Its purpose is to allow purebred animals who don't have pedigrees for one reason or another to compete in performance events. It MAY be acceptable proof for the folks in Paris and it may not. Let's hope it is!

I dunno why the French want a pedigree or birth certification anyway.  Perhaps you should

move to the UK instead (just kidding) - if you want to put a Pit on the DD register here, you

hand the dog in to the Police,  they  decide if the dog is "of the (Pit Bull Terrier) type", [never mind

if it is supposed to be 'purebred' or not.  There is no such KC recognised breed as an APBT in the UK

anyway, so they are all regarded as crossbred ].   The police 'experts' will then temperament test it

and confirm that it is good natured, neutered, and microchipped, then they submit a report to a Magistrate

who determines whether the dog should be tattooed & registered, & handed back to the owner   -  or not,

meaning it will be euthanised.   This process can just as easily happen with a Pit x Staffie, Pit x Whippet,

Pit x Labrador, a purebred AmStaff, or even an English 'Staffie' x any other breed, with no actual APBT

history (fighting or not) ... as long as the dogs look to be of Pit 'TYPE' to their experts.   I hope (but don't

know) if things are any better since the reform / amendment to the DDA,  but there were Am Staffs destroyed

because they could not produce registered pedigree paperwork proving they were bred as AS rather than PBT.

Maybe the French do something similar, but what a birthdate and record of parentage adds, I do

not really understand at all. 

I can't imagine finding a matching set of papers on that dog would be that hard, based on some of the ads I've seen lately for folks selling ADBA papers only, LOL!! Right out in the open..."$250- ADBA papers" on CL.  LOL LOL  Unbelievable...but 100% true! Ad said "My grandpa said these are worth a lot of money and will match a lot of dogs."