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by Abadonsdad on 09 June 2014 - 01:06
so i just wanted to weigh in here , you can buy a dog for 200 dollars, you can buy a dog for 150.000 dollars , what you say there is no dog worth 150.000 dollars ! i know but crazy as it sounds dogs have sold for this! now here is what you do call a kennel in Germany , or hell one of the top kennels here in the states , and tell them you want a puppie out of one the top 10 V dogs , let me know the price . If you buy a dog for 25000 dollars, sch3 kkl1 ,ipo3 whichever, you charge 1250 for a puppy, twenty puppys the dog is paid for , the higher the v rating the higher the price,,thats my take on it..love your dogs no matter what they cost or where they came from, i have dogs that i paid no money for , i love them no more or less then the others.

by GSD Lineage on 09 June 2014 - 02:06
On January 22 of 1987 the US Department of Defence wrote a letter to the American German Shepherd Dog Charitable Foundation, Inc, that was then published by the GSDCA for all to read.
In it were some interesting Highlights.
Only GSD and Belgian Malinois are being purchased.
1. The dogs must be at least 12 months old but not older than 36 months.
2. $450.00 USD is being paid for each untrained dog (I think they consider them all untrained, as military training is likely very specific)
3. The dogs must pass a kennel masters evaluation, and hip & elbow x-ray exam.
4. If approved for shipping, a crate will be sent to the owner with shipping instructructions. The government will pay all shipping charges from the airport to the dog center. It is the owner's responsability to get the dog to the airport.
5. After the dog arrives at the center it is given up to 7 days to become acclimated before it is temperament tested and examined by a veterinarian. The dog center reserves the right to reject a dog even though it passed local evaluations.
6. Disqualified dogs will be returned to owners at government's expense. If a dog is accepted, a check will be sent to the owner. The government can only issue a check to the owner. It is the responsability of the owner to either endorse the check over to the foundation, or to provide a personal check.
So basically they were paying $450.00USD for green dogs at least a year old, clear hips and elbows / general vet exam and temperament.

by Prager on 09 June 2014 - 06:06
I was dealing with Lackland TX Air force base and with US Customs in El Paso, and that is the number I got. $4500 +/- and dogs had to be delivedered for testing. That was about 2+/- years ago.
Prager Hans

by Hired Dog on 09 June 2014 - 12:06
The price of a dog is dictated by market prices and demand on dogs. For me, the price of a dog is dictated by knowing the dog market, understanding my exact needs for a dog and my pocket. Do I think that someone is an idiot for paying 150K for a dog? Indeed I do because my needs will never exceed 3K-5K for an adult and about $1500 for a puppy.
by SitasMom on 09 June 2014 - 12:06
Abadonsdad
" If you buy a dog for 25000 dollars, sch3 kkl1 ,ipo3 whichever, you charge 1250 for a puppy, twenty puppys the dog is paid for ,"
Fully titled females usually have a a few litters before they're put up for sale and imported. They can be bred only a certain number of times. If a female is imported she will most likely have had 3 litters back to back and is bred prior to shipping. She will need a rest before having another litter. To produce 20 puppies, you'd have to expect 3 to 4 more litters our of her. She is getting older and litter size is smaller and also the chance for complications is much higher.
In your equation, you didn't add all the expenses associated with having puppies.....
Pre-breeding exam and progesterone testing
Stud fee and transportation to stud
Pregnancy verification at 35 days
Special foods
Vet check prior to whelp
Whelping supplies
Time off from work to whelp
Many hours of work required to properly whelp a litter is usually unpaid.
the list goes on and one....including funds set aside for guarantees.
You also failed to mention the costs to care for the female year around.
Older females many times need c-sections too.
Many people the try to import high quality females have been ripped off once or twice......spend much money and dog never shows up, a dog that shows up with serious medical conditions, or is no longer able to have puppies...........this also has to be added to the equation.
Some of my experiences with importing titled females.
#1 $8575 to import she had only 1 live puppy, and never became pregnant again
#2 coownership $8000 each, she had 2 litters totaling 4 puppies and needed c-section/spay for last puppy
#3 $5850 to import, she's had 3 litters - 24 healthy puppies.
#4 $5780 to import, she came with stage 3 heartworms and anal gland abcess costing 2000 more. She had 2 puppies a year after importing.
#5 in progress, I've spent $10,000 and its been 8 months and am still waiting for the seller to ship my dog!
GSD- the price you quoted $450........was from 1987, adjusted for inflation it would be $1000.
Using the government's inflation index which we know to be incorrect.....the price of dog food and veterinary care has gone up much more then the inflation rate.

by Hired Dog on 09 June 2014 - 12:06
Sitasmom, I received a letter from the DOD in the late 80's inviting me to participate in their search for dogs and at that time, they were offering $1200 for a dog, but, the dog would not be "green". They wanted a dog that would bite and release, one that would hunt and find a toy, have basic OB, etc, I declined.
by Paul Garrison on 09 June 2014 - 13:06
The buying of dogs and selling puppies looks better on papper then it does in your check book.
by SitasMom on 09 June 2014 - 13:06
Hired Dog, $1200 in the late 80's is $2500 now.......
Again using the federal govenment's inflation index, which we all know is not accurate.
by Abadonsdad on 09 June 2014 - 14:06
indeed ,it looks better on paper, but the dogs that cant have puppies, my friends and i have been finding them homes for almost three years now. i am sorry for your trials breeding dogs,Sitas mom , but you still have the beautiful dogs.
by khalid Azeem on 09 June 2014 - 14:06
If you believe in the welfare of the dog and look forward for healthy breeding it is extreemly time consuming, high costing and an ongoing effort. It Sad that people (who have not done it) just see one side of it. No offence to the OP but this is extreamly common. Sitasmom has pointed out some very good points and the list can go on and on and on.
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