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by susie on 11 June 2014 - 18:06
nor do all Germans :)
by beetree on 11 June 2014 - 23:06
And pets should go with a contract as well. Guarantee them to be healthy and free of communicable diseases for a period of 8 weeks. Hips and elbows - dog must be able to function as a satisfactory pet as an adult is the minimum.
Yes, in a perfect world pet owners would garner some respect for handling all those troublesome rejects abandoned or made available for a variety of reasons the experts can not justify with their time. I find it odd that some breeders put all the value for the life of a dog on reproductiveness, in terms of money compensation by definition in a contract with terms of "limited registration", that does extend into doggy adulthood.
It is their determination that when a pet owner who spays or neuters from the very same gene pool example, that animal has now been reduced to zero value, compared to any same gene bearing adult dog's life who is intact.
I then have to wonder when some gungho, recent breeder claims, as many do, "They are all about the dogs.", if perhaps they left out a part, "...and what genes I have access to. "
by Blitzen on 12 June 2014 - 01:06
I think most breeders would rather sell to pet homes than show homes.
by beetree on 12 June 2014 - 02:06
Yes, true, they want to sell to pet homes at their highest prices, and give to show homes, their professional discounts.
by Blitzen on 12 June 2014 - 03:06
That could be a reason for some, Bee, but most I know would rather sell to a pet home because most of those owners don't complain about every little thing and they rarely want to send the dog back. Many show buyers expect perfection and when the dog has any minor issue they don't want to deal with it, the dog goes back to the breeder or gets sold to a second party the breeder doesn't know of approve of. Reasons like....the dog is too small/large for the show area although it's within standard size........ The dog doesn't move like I want it to......his eyes are too light, pasterns not upright, doesn't hit the sleeve hard, etc, etc. Sometimes is never ends until the breeder just bites the bullet, takes back the dog, and refunds the purchase price. Pet owners like us generally keep the dog and deal with the negatives .
by Abadonsdad on 12 June 2014 - 03:06
i once got a puppy who's feet were deformed , they told the Breeder to put him down, insted they called me , i found him a home ,the dog lived out his days being spoiled and loved. the way it should be! i just thought i would throw that in , too often we focus on the bad, Murry was the dogs name and he was truly a gift from god.

by kitkat3478 on 12 June 2014 - 12:06
When I sell a pup, I guarantee/warranty my pups, for life. I don't care who gets it, what the purpose they want it for...
IF anything goes wrong, ANY genetic defect, I will give you a replacement pup. You don't have to jump thru no hoops, don't want no song and dance....no if, and or buts about it.
You don't have no time limit to discover the problem, such as vet checked by three days, x rayed by one year, yadda, yadda.
There are set times for some health issues to surface, such as parvo, coccidia, etc., you know when that was picked up by when it comes out.
If you got bad hips, which I can honestly say, I have never had anyone come back on that...but if they did, why is it so difficult for some breeders to just give a replacement? I mean really!
And, as far as I'm concerned, its a crock os BS when the return of the defective dog is required.
I have dogs doing sch, police k9's, agility and the majority are just loved pets. I have many of the same dogs, top breeders have. I do it, because I love it.
My prices are more than fair, WHY should someone that wants a good family dog have to pay an arm and a leg? They shouldn't...
I recently sold a pup to a breeder. Of course, she was too small for this breeder, she was standard size, and, turned out to have to much drive also, I was told she was better suited for police work than kennel life....
NO SHIT SHERLOCK....
Anyway, this poor dog went thru 5 homes before she was 6 months old. I was ready to snap over it.
That is totally unacceptable to me, for my dogs. Than, this woman told me she paid over 1800 for the dog.
A big BS there...she bought the dog from me. What, I don't remember what I sold the dog for. You can believe she resold her for that much.
Breed for Greed...and that is just wrong.

by Zenit2010 on 12 June 2014 - 13:06
"A fair price." I live in Southern California where things always just seem to cost more (except for Hawaii where everything is really expensive), so I was prepared to spend what I did on my dog. It was a fair price to me and I wanted a WGSL with the potential to train for Schutzhund and possibly show in SV style shows because I had always admired that part of the GSD world and wanted to get involved. But, primarily, I wanted a German shepherd dog for me as my companion. Well, I think he's beautiful but he's missing a P2 tooth, stands a little east/west on his front feet, and has inhalant and/or contact allergies that is a whole other thread now on this board. And, although he loves protection phase and would love tracking if I could do it more with him, he's not enthusiastic about focused heeling. He prefers retrieves and the send out. He could use more focus and drive though to power through when the "work" gets tough. He's a little lazy with his attention span.
But he is always by my side, always looking after my children, hangs out with my husband, and is good to friends and family welcomed in the home. Did I get my money's worth? Yes, for me!
One last remark for anybody thinking that the average prices ($1k to $5k) for a well bred pup is too high...it's not the purchase price you should worry about so much...think very carefully about the medical, food, care (boarding), and training costs. I have paid way more in 4 years on all of that than I did on his original purchase price.

by Prager on 14 June 2014 - 17:06
Warranty is a good tool. It gives the buyer and seller clear understanding what will happen when the dog is a problem dog. Temperament , hips and incompatibility with condition and personality of the dog. To return the dog is not always an option nor always necessary . Why would I take from a customer a dysplastic dog? I will if the buyer does not want it but if the hips are shot why should I ask for the dog back ? All I ask is for papers. Old Jewish proverb says that good deal is when buyer and seller are both happy. That applies to situation during the sale and after the sale. If you do not believe that the seller will honor his warranty then do not buy a dog from them. But not every breeder is dishonest. And then if there are complicated complains than the warranty is finale way the issue is resolved.
by beetree on 14 June 2014 - 20:06
I just read your warranty. I think you have tweaked it over the years? Yes, or no?
Still, like I said before, nothing has changed for me. The buyer must rely on the honor of the seller, as I still see wiggle room to shift fault and void a warranty. I have seen how a buyer then is forced to jump through hoop after hoop, usually during a very upsetting and trying time. And like Blitzen said, most pet owners will never give up their dog once they have bonded, all they really want is their money back so they can pay off the vet bills.
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