When did the WDA Change Their Name? - Page 4

LOL the devil is in the details as always.  Susie, Thanks for letting us know that there are questions of interpretation in the translation.  Many of us were taking it as it the translation is set in stone.  Good to know.

In fact, we could be witnessing the start of a fully FCI compliant breed club in the USA, and not just another make-shift "recognition" agreement, in the vein of those held by the AWDF and the AKC with FCI

momosgarage, that certainly is one of the scenarios that crosses my mind when reading this agreement, and considering the other actions that have been set in motion prior to the signing of the document.

WRT the subject of registration, what you describe is what I had in mind when I reference sidestepping the need for AKC registration entirely--if this WDA is accepted by the FCI, then unlike dogs that are individually registered with USCA, WDA-registered dogs won't need to have an AKC registration in order to compete in WUSV events. But even if this WDA does not either pursue or obtain that, just the incarnation of a secondary registry that issues WDA registration numbers to individual dogs is something that I don't believe was ever on the drawing board for the GSDCA-WDA.

This could prove to be a very good development, or it could prove a disaster. Too soon for forecasting which will be the case. A great deal will rest on whether the major players in the match are capable of putting the welfare of the breed first and keeping their egos tethered and uninvolved in the fray.

Hexe, et al:

Do either of you have any documentable evidence that would; indicate, imply, insinuate, suggest or even offer any hope or concern that  the FCI has agreed to, has committed to,  is thinking about, or has even considered  another accredited breed registry organization  in the United States other than the AKC or are your suppositions little more than shadowy P.T. Barnumlike speculations.  Some of us have lived long enough to remember another group espousing a gloriously exaggerated and wholly  preposterous bill of goods we were sold claiming their "Breed Registry" had internationally recognized credentials. A few years passed and in time we learned that everything involved with those spectacular "internationally recognized" papers was laughable and amounted to  nothing more than a smoke and mirrors promotion. All the expectations we had with those newly awarded pink papers that we had so gladly flaunted around proved to be absolutely worthless. We were lead to believe those laudable pink papers were the cats-meow. Admittedly they  looked good in our  file cabinets but few if any in the fancy saw them as being worth more than an expensive piece of kindling for the next camp fire.

This document clearly refers to WDA and GSDCA, the 2 clubs WUSV has been dealing with for years (#1 : Der GSDCA und der WDA haben im Juli 2012... ).
Once again, no new club, it´s a mistake. Mr Yee may found a new club in the future, but this document was signed by the president of WDA.

This "letter" is kind of an "agreement", or better said a "declaration of intent", WUSV showing "good will", not more, not less.

Richard, they don´t write about any new breed registry, they are talking bout single registrations of single dogs at this point.

@Richard Medlen, are you familiar with how FCI clubs are registered?  I'm no expert, but I have looked into the rules and asked a few folks in Europe and in doing so have sent a lot of emails out for clarification.

There are two avenues where a new FCI club can be registered, they can be either a sport club or a breed club.  For example SDONA is FCI compliant, as a sport club under IRO, but does not have the right to offer a breed registry "stud book".  On the flip side the FCPR has the right to offer an FCI compliant all-breed "stud book", but can't offer any of the trialing events or working dog titles that are common within the VDH (they are mostly a conformation club offering the CAC and CACIB show titles).  FCPR judges are certified FCI show judges, but are not SV complaint and IRO judges are FCI compliant, but not necessarily SV compliant.  All of the WUSV clubs in South America have SV compliant judges, but are not FCI complaint for show titles.

Confused yet?

Now where does the "New WDA" fit into this?  To repeat myself, the WUSV already has several GSD breed clubs in the Americas that are FCI compliant, but at the same time DO NOT affect FCPR's official designation as the only FCI all-breed club offering a "stud book" in North America.  For some reason, the rules allow new clubs to form that offer a breed specific "stub book" and they will not run afoul with any of the existing all-breed "stud books" clubs and existing agreements, such as the AKC and FCPR.  The WUSV can grant such status to the WDA and it is an FCI compliant arrangement.  If that were not the case, the clubs in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Columbia, Ecuador, Paraguay, Peru, Trinidad und Tobago, Uruguay and Guatemala would need to register their dogs with FCPR to be FCI complaint, which they do not (because it is the only FCI club in the Americas granted that privilege, so as not to run afoul with the AKC).  I have yet to see anything in the rules that would prevent a breed-specific FCI club in North America from operating any differently from those in South America. 

Think about it, in North America we have NO "Contract Partners" or "Associate Members" (the AWDF, AKC, UKC, etc are not even close to completing that process and have no desire to).  Only the clubs FCD and FCPR are representing FCI in North America and I have read that only FCPR has the right to overlap the AKC region, but that last part is debateble.

This "letter" is kind of an "agreement", or better said a "declaration of intent", WUSV showing "good will", not more, not less.

-susie

I agree, this is entirely possible, I have mentioned that it could be a typo as well.

Richard, I believe you misunderstand my words.

If it helps frame my posts on this subject more appropriately, I am NOT a fluent, or even intermediate-level, reader of the German language; despite two years of instruction in the tongue, I can do no better than slightly above beginner's stage with the written form and far below that when it comes to speaking the language.

I have no dog in this fight. I merely read what has been presented to us here as being an English translation of the original German-language document, and after doing so communicated what I understand the contents of the agreement are conveying, based on my comprehension of the English language.  I've made no 'PT Barnum-like speculations', as you claim; I did no more than offer a window into the message a reader with average reading comprehension would take from the verbiage in the English translations, as found in this thread, of or from the agreement.  

Is there a 'new' WDA and an 'old' WDA? I don't know, and never claimed to know. What I do know is that in the USA, the name ascribed to the acronym WDA, as used in this document, is NOT the same name as is found on all of the official webpages of the "GSDCA-WDA".  Perhaps in Germany that is of no consequence, but in the USA, the AKC-recognized parent club for the German Shepherd Dog is named the German Shepherd Dog Club of America, and that specific name and its logo are protected by law against unauthorized use; the name and logo of the affiliate to that club, the German Shepherd Dog Club of America - Working Dog Association, is likewise protected by law. It is for this reason that I think it's ridiculous to suggest that Dan Yee read the name of the USA GSD organization which appears in the opening of the agreement, and appears again directly above his signature, and did not notice or consider it of any significance that it did not match the registered name of the GSDCA-affiliate organization that is known in the USA as the Working Dog Association.

Consequently, an organization that called itself the German Shepherd Dog - Working Club of America Dog Association would be a DIFFERENT organization than either of the other two groups referenced above. Does such a club exist? I don't know--I only know that the agreement drawn up on the 6th of September clearly states that said agreement is between the WUSV and the German Shepherd Dog - Working Club of America Dog Association. 

Now, if someone can show that earlier documents between the WUSV and the GSDCA-WDA identified the latter with the same name as this most recent document does, that would go a long way toward eliminating any interpretation of the newest document as making reference to a newly-formed organization that is going by the WDA acronym in communications with the WUSV. Anyone?

As for what has been speculated about--a new registry for individual dogs or even a new stud book, pursuit of FCI recognition, the creation of new for-profit or not-for-profit club underway within the shadow of an existing GSDCA affiliated one--that's nothing surprising, sinister or improper about such wool-gathering.   It was just that sort of speculation that led to the creation of the GSDCA-WDA to begin with, if I'm remembering correctly [just because I have no skin in the game doesn't mean I don't pay attention as a spectator on the sidelines]... It's how ideas become plans, and plans become actions, and actions become something concrete.

I've been around for a long time as well, Richard, though our paths never crossed most likely because I've never been a serious exhibitor, handler, or participant; I've never been a breeder of GSDs or any other breed of dog that was meant for the conformation ring, either. The point being, I know what you're speaking of when you talk about breed registries and pink papers that were issued for USA-born dogs, and I know what did and did not materialize. I've been around long enough to not only remember the coffer-raiding that went on with the organization you reference, but to have also taken an active role in discovering why the printers stopped producing the group's publication, something that helped lead to a sea change in the club [though the latter did not happen without litigation].  So yes, I've been around for a while as well.  That's why I said that if any of the speculative actions or events do take place WRT this situation, it could be to the betterment or the detriment of the breed in the USA...or even both, depending on what one's position is as to which direction the breed needs to be going here.

Time will tell. I still hold fast to my belief that to accept the wording and order of those words in the document being examined is nothing more than an error or oversight is naïve, and to presume that Yee did not notice it or was OK with it being incorrect does not give proper accounting for his intelligence--no matter what one's opinion is of the man, or any of the organizations on the playing field.

Hexe, that´s where you are able to find this letter of declaration, on the OFFICIAL GSDCA-WDA website
http://www.gsdca-wda.org/asp/rules.aspx  / the first pdf ( rules and regulations )

Either Mr Yee

1. didn´t notice it
2. didn´t care
3. or thought by himself "silly Germans, not even able to spell our name correctly".

Maybe someone should ask him...

Thanks, susie, but I already knew where to find the Sept. 6, 2014 document--I was wondering how the club name is displayed on earlier documents between the WUSV and the GSDCA-WDA, which would show if what some are perceiving to be a new name is actually what has been displayed on older documents all along.

As for your version of what took place, I simply cannot agree...my familiarity with Mr. Yee in the flesh is very limited, but when afforded the opportunity to observe someone over the course of a short span of days I'm generally spot-on with assessing people for who they are and what actions would be out of character for them . Not noticing, not caring, and/or not having the wording changed if it was incorrect--none of these things strike me as being in character for this individual. Control-centric would be an accurate description of the man, from my observations.

There are WDA members on this board - nobody able to simply ask?

Hexe, they used a white sheet of paper, no letter - head, only the WUSV sign ( a stamp ? ), nothing officially otherwise. Looks like written on a tablet in the late evening by "someone", subscribed by Henke and Yee, so Yee was able to show something at home.

Once again, for a German it´s more than difficult to understand or even write the name of this club. We are used to GSDCA, we are used to WDA, but we are not used to GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG CLUB OF AMERICA - WORKING DOG ASSOCIATION.