Police Gone Wild? - Page 4

Well of course the guy who designed the first test would make disparaging remarks about the guy who "improved" upon it. For such a savvy, inside-mind guy like yourself Preston, why is that not obvious?

This:

My conclusions are based on anonymous grouped data from several studies involving various professions including police profiles.

is not the same as this:

I also have seen numerous of their MMPI profile too.
 

Your first statement is misleading [I assume deliberately so], as it insinuates that you have seen individual MMPI profiles, rather than grouped data.

I have seen a few police officers and firefighters placed on medication by their *$#@ department physician without appropriate referral to psychological counselling.


 

I would personally like to see specific restrictions for the prescription of medications intended to treat mental illnesses, that at a MINIMUM require a referral to a Psychiatrist.  Ideally, only Psychiatrists and Psych ARNPs should be rXing these meds, but a measure like that could be cost prohibitive. 

Your average GP just isn't qualified to diagnose or treat in this situation; they don't attempt to treat cancer, either.  They refer to an oncologist, and for good reason.  The same should be standard for psych issues.

I have similar complaints about Veterinarians rXing benzodiazapines and antidepressants to dogs, but this is the Off-Topic forum, so I digress.
 

beetree, one problem with your hypothesis, it is ipso facto wrong, because the originators were all deceased when the revision was done.  Mudwick, of course I have seen hundreds, I tested many clients for many years, so I have seen many, many profiles and certain occupational related patterns are well known and have been written about estensively.  I also used to meet regularly with another psychologist that did almost exclusively MMPI work and we examined many, many profiles as part of his research project. There used to be over 400 clinical books published about MMPI profiles, how to interpret the code types and conclusions about certain groups and how the testing shows correlates. yes, police officers, school teachers and other profession were covered with norms and trends in their profiles.

Mudwick you are chasing windmills.  I have seen numerous occupation groupings studied for trends, read books and papers on such, worked on research regarding such and done many years of psychological testing on numerous different populations.  All legal and ethical.  

It is obvious you could not be a doctoral level psychologist or know much about it from the misconceptions and ignorance you express about the field.

 My closest colleague was, however and he and another professor worked on advanced research on the first version.  He claimed that much of the diagnostic value of the MMPI was ruined by the renorming and developmrnt of the new MMPI-2, which a significant number of psychologists have just stopped using for those reasons.


 

So Preston, your closest colleague was dead when he made his claims? That's a neat trick, but somehow I'm not surprised.

 

 

Mindhunt, you said you were curious about 'roid use.  As far as the issue of some police officers taking steroids.  Yes, it is likely a small percentage, but poses a risk for the officer and the public.  The cases I have known about involved individuals that were also power lifters and their behavior was allegedly more aggressive to the public that they preceived as weaker or lower status.  The question is why do certain police desire power lifting?  Is it just a hobby, recreation, fitness training or is it sometimes an obsession to gain more personal power by obtaining more physical power through bulking up. Perhaps it can be any or a selection. Thumpers in my view have a higher probability of being 'roid users, but there are thumpers that do not use roids and are not power lifters. 

Thumpers rarely prey on citizens who appear to have money and status, perhaps they see them as having the moxie and resources to sue and cause trouble, unless that person is highly intoxicated, resistant and uses abusive language. In my view, 'roid users are somewhat more likely to be abusive and to use unjustified and excessive force against the public, especially those they perceive as minorities or weaker, or of lower status or wealth.  If they perceive that they can get away with it due to the status of the person or the context of the situation, unwarranted and excess force is more likely.  How extensive is the problem of thumpers?  Nobody knows for sure, but every major urban dept has some and they can and have posed lawsuit risks for the dept and physical risks to the public they are supposed to serve and protect. 

One would think squad and officer mounted video recording would stop all thumping, but it hasn't.  I am not going into well known cases here which went public because folks on PDB wouldn't believe me anyway, even with the articles referenced.  There is a whole other part of this issue rarely covered.  That is the personal health risk to the roid user long term in addition to the behavioral risks such as acting out and destroying one's career, which can happen to thumpers who lose control due to anger and frustration building up over time. As with the past controversy with cancer caused by the handheld radar guns, some officers used to set the hand unit on the seat next to them or between their legs, this issue was a real and present risk but police officers were noty adequately informed of risk and not much ever got into the press.  Result, unexpected cancer in some.  Now with the newer laser systems, safety is very good.  Anyone who does deep research on radar emissions and background scatter, knows that over time there are some health risks. If I was a police officer I would not want radar on my squad in any form.

beetree, nope you have it all mixed up.  Go back and read what I stated, it is not what you say I stated or assume that I stated.  Many top psychologists have criticized the MMPI-2.  If you are not trained in psychological testing and psychodiagnostics this issue is going to be hard for you to understand.  And so far you aren't following it at all.

I'll lay it out for you so you can try again to copmprehend this. I never said my closest colleague was dead, or that he was one of the three dvelopers of the MMPI. (he wasn't)  Capish?

Preston, I tire of your parsing. Your closest colleague collaborated with the originator, who is dead, and the closest colleague was alive and not dead when he criticized the revision,  yet you would have it believed that I misunderstood. 

Knowing a couple of sheriff's deputies, having a couple of friends whose husbands are deputies, and my husband's cousin is a deputy, I think lifting weights provides not only fitness but is also an outlet for relieving stress.

One of my friends told me the other day that her husband, a sheriff's deputy, went on a call to a large high school to arrest a student with a knife.  When he approached the student, the student began to resist, so her husband took out his baton and snapped it.  The student soon calmed down and gave up.  Her husband never touched the student with his baton.  However, everything was being video taped.  Between the deputy and the camera was a large plant in the classroom so it partially blocked what was happening.  When the school district's superintendent watched the video, all he focused on was the snapping sound of the baton and he accused my friend's husband of excessive force.   Thankfully, however, eyewitnesses validated the truth and her husband was cleared of the superintendent's accusations. 

Videos don't tell the whole story.

Bee, I've noticed on more than one thread that Preston is resorting to a lot of sarcasm which could be viewed as a defense mechanism or a form of aggression.